You seem reasonable and not unhinged but it all seriousness you want blizzard to step in and fix a player made issue to benefit the horde, which is also caused by them? Yes alliance don’t pvp as much but the hordes the ones meta slaving it up.
Sorry but something needs to be put in place that benefits the alliance as much as HvH, faction balance is important.
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Why should there be a benefit for alliance? It is a change to enable horde to continue playing that doesnt impact alliance side. The only faction balance focus is on pvp servers where people are angry about getting to dungeons or raid entrances, outside of that what does it really matter?
Never again please, this damaged the game so much.
The alliance deserve nothing, it’s not an added benefit its simply allowing Horde to play. Alliance are not missing out on anything by the horde being able to queue within a reasonable timeframe.
If the Alliance want to play again they still keep their instant queues. You don’t give them a bonus for participating when their refusal to play caused the issue.
Why should alliance benefiting from something that dosen’t effect the horde bother you? Two sides to every coin them reserving loot boxes didn’t effect us in any way and it’d be a gesture of goodwill. Do we really want retail repeating itself in classic.
If its a player driven issue by Alliance refusing to play, you are rewarding negative behavior and flaming a poor community.
Horde aren’t asking for literally anything but the ability to play. If the alliance decided tomorrow they will all PVP as frequently as we want this discussion would be over.
The gesture of good will would be to simply queue for PVP… Lets show this faction concern when their lack of interest in a giant aspect of this game caused such a bottleneck.
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So it’s purely tribalism then, because it wouldn’t effect you. It’s just the same argument in reverse people did roll alliance and sacrificed racials because of the queues. Should they then be given a free faction change?
I know that this is strange to a lot of people but the alliance being healthy to me is important, love ganking people and faction balance needs to be a key issue.
Its not tribalism, what is your argument for giving the alliance a bonus for playing when the HvH tool is only putting us on equal footing in terms of ability to play?
Of the top 2v2 and 3v3 teams in the world, why aren’t they all horde if the racials are so unfair? Why is the best 2’s team in the world alliance? They must be gods if the racials are so stacked against them.
A free faction change would be fine. Due to how unbalanced the faction have become in TBC there is no benefit to play Alliance other than RP (because they were so strong on Vanilla). Allowing people to swap factions if they want to because of the state of this game and how people play it should be allowed, and FREE.
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Honestly I can’t predict the future with how this will impact the alliance population but appearances do matter and blizzard let them rot with the AV map balance in classic. What should be done if the alliance population should start to drop then?
There is nothing to be done if this game continues to be Parsed and Min/Maxxed. Outside of particular Arena combinations and aesthetics, the alliance has no benefit - they never did in TBC. Wrath it swings back to Alliance with the free human PVP racial.
But not allowing more than half of your player base to PVP will dissolve your game MUCH faster than those who play the alliance - those of whom aren’t even PVPing. The change has not, and would not impact them.
Those who would switch to the horde side from ally would be as large as those on the horde side re-rolling for queues - virtually no one.
If the alliance population spirals downward let them all faction change for free - but making someone play a particular race/faction in order to access elements of the game is the fastest way possible to end your game.
This kind of assumption really needs to stop… Sure there are people who rolled specific horde-race-class combos specifically to capitalise on racials, but myself and I daresay a lot of other horde players probably chose horde for much simpler reasons; it’s what we played in original TBC.
Maybe our friends already played horde, maybe we liked orcs from warcraft 3, maybe we liked the idea of playing as zombies.
Saying we deserve to be punished with long queue times simply because we chose a faction we have nostalgic ties to is pretty lame.
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You’re 100% right and its a dumb stigma. We are playing Horde for a myriad of reasons, those of us who arent Mix/Maxing should be allowed to PVP too.
These vocal alliance players are angry because they see the writing on the wall and think that chastising other players will get them to come play with them LOL.
What stopping the Horde from just turning off Warmode and simply instant queueing? You guys wont do BG’s so we wont do Warmode - especially on the Alliance Megaserver.
If you wana PVP we will see you in BG’s. You realize you guys can end this conversation at any point by… ya know… playing the game?!
We are paying you for a service. We expect access to all aspects of your game with the money you get from us, not fragmented portions.
If we aren’t able to play - why are we paying you?
The situation has been neglected for too long at this point in order to institute small stair-stepping measures to address the disparity though.
I agree that faction balance is important as it has an impact on PvE and PvP in the game, but Blizzard has largely ignored faction balance for years in both the Retail and Classic integrations of the game.
Really what they’d need to do in an effort to ‘re-balance’ the factions some is both re-balance all the existing races racials so that Horde and Alliance are equally compelling from a ‘competitive’ standpoint, and they’d also need to make it easier to transfer from Horde to Alliance.
How likely do you think it is they miraculously balance racials in a manner that suddenly creates a more even population shift, while allowing free Horde to Alliance transfers?
How long do you think all of those changes (even if they were made and ended up being successful) would take to manifest in a fashion that translates into an appreciably lower queue time for Horde players (which is essentially the goal- for Horde to be able to engage in battleground PvP without having to wait 20-30 minutes or more to get into a game).
Do you actually believe for even 10 seconds a company like Activision Blizzard (who’s currently role-playing as dumpster fire) is going to suddenly focus up and start dedicating resources and insight where they they haven’t for the past 2 years in Classic (and arguably 8-10 in retail) ?
The last time I can recall the Blizzard Devs throwing the Alliance a PvP bone was when they introduced ‘Every Man for Himself’ in either Lich King or Cataclysm…and that was a blatant “We’re making a straight up OP PvP racial for Alliance- and it’s going to Humans- one of the most played factions Alliance side”.
Even then…when they were ‘trying’, they left all the other Alliance races pretty much hanging with what they already had.
Night Elfs get faster ‘Wisp Form’ and ‘Shadowmeld’.
Woo Hoo.
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Can we get this back?
Does this also work for alliance on horde dominated servers where horde dominate quest hubs, farming spots, halaa, spirit shard towers, summoning stones etc?
Or does it only matter that horde are inconvenienced in one aspect of the game?
It’s absolutely an inconvenience, and has been since the release of classic. Their fix, albeit a terrible one, is allowing you to pay for transfers (with some free x-fers sprinkled in here and there). If you hate your server balance you can move. I know my guild had to, as well as many others in the Classic era because of imbalance issues (im a Veteran of the Skeram South Shore War). It wasn’t optimal but at least there was a solution.
As it currently stands there is no fix whatsoever for the horde queue’s and we are unable to play BG’s within a reasonable time frame. Before you say “kek re-roll” that is not a solution, but a start from scratch approach.
Denying HvH would be equivalent to me saying “hate your server balance? Go level a new character on a balanced server!”
Both issues need more finely tuned, but server balance is localized with a solution in place - Horde queue times are a global population issue without a resolution.