And THAT is your problem. You are looking at the damage the individual abilities do and saying “thats not fair” when you should be looking at the overall dps of either build before Rider gets added. If Frost and Unholy builds for Rider are within 5% of each other before you add rider on then there are no issues.
Then there are no issues when adding Rider onto each build since they should even out since Rider is the same for either of them.
It does not matter how much damage Abomination does compared to FwF. What matters is overall DPS with Rider included and the difference being 5% at the end of the day. Thats it.
The current trees are also for leveling purposes. Dont know why this is lost on people. Also, the current trees allow us to have things together that we could never have before.
To those of you interacting with that person, my advice is to put them on ignore. They do not come here to discuss, they come here to argue.
On topic, my very limited experience with rider is that it doesn’t really feel like it alters the base playstyle of frost much; can’t comment on unholy because I haven’t tested it yet, but it is rather odd that we have to commit two talent points for shorter cd fwf to get the same value out of “apocalypse now” as unholy. Most of the nodes are kind of just… passives that have ramp to them, which imo conflicts a bit with the recent pillar changes.
Interested to see where the spec goes but atm deathbringer feels like it has more meat to it
i really enjoy Deathbringer and Rider, can’t really decide which one i like more, but rider sims way better right now, i think due to bugs. i suspect when the war within comes out, i’ll take whichever one i think feels more fun to play at whatever time. and rider when i need mobility.
Because people like you have bad takes and try to die on that hill so it looks like an argument.
Like the person I am talking to here is trying to die on the hill that they shouldnt use FwF because the damage it does doesnt match Abomination and that the damage of the CD should match up… or at least thats what it looks like since they keep talking about the damage of the CD.
Rider isnt supposed to, its a passive spec. There is nothing in it that shakes it up like Deathbringer does.
You have to commit to 2 talent points as Unholy as well. But FwF and its accompanying talent isnt out of the way to pick up.
That was said around 4 months ago before it was even playable.
They dont conflict with the pillar changes at all.
Ok? Says the person that doesnt understand that my post was about having unholy and frost be balanced prior to rider.
No its responding to people like you that cant understand simple concepts like the damage of FwF and Abom doesnt matter, what matters is the overall spec balance. It doesnt matter how much damage FwF or Abom does if the final product has the specs do roughly equal damage. Holy cow.
Rider of the apocalypse feels so good in unholy. It’s all passive so I know some don’t like it however it feels good, the horseman come out at a pretty good pace and deal significant damage both by themselves and with the talents they they enhance. Being able to ride mawsworn horse into combat is great and even though we can’t in raids, dungeons, indoor areas getting it temporarily with death’s advance feels great to.
No wonder, a… player… i guess… that doesnt understand overall dps.
FwF damage is irrelevant if the overall dps is balanced and the same goes for Army / Abom.
Be speechless all you want. But yes the damage of FwF and Abom are irrelevant to the greater picture. Is frost and unholy balanced (not FwF against Abomination) to when the riders come out they provide the same contribution to each spec? That is what is relevant, not “FwF does less damage than Abomination so this talent should be put on something else!”. Thats just a bad take by you and others like you through and through.
High end content must be really easy if people cant grasp a simple concept that FwF not doing the same damage as Abom doesnt matter at all and the only thing that does matter is the overall DPS prior to Rider being added in.
Well with the amount of people that cant grasp common sense stuff, either its easy or a lot of people are being carried through content they have no business being in.
You literally arent reading and want to play some victim because you got called out for wanting to change the activation of a talent in Rider to something else that is used more ofted because you think the only thing that matters is FwF vs Abom.
That is not at all how it works. FwF and Abomination are going to do different amounts of damage, everyone knows this, but if the overall dps is the same the CD’s can do different amounts of damage so the only thing that matters is the amount of times these are used to have the riders come out at the same intervals so the riders contribute the same amount to overall dps. I dont know how you can not see that but holy cow this is basic stuff.