Tell me, where did they get the idea for the 4 Horsemen?
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famous biblical character sally whitemane
my favorite parable in the new testament was when nazgrim killed all those romans
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So you are just trolling⌠Got it.
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You are actually not entirely correct in your assumption that pestilence is not a Horsemen. The first horse, the white horse is often depicted as pestilence, war/conquest, or the anti-christ himself. Depending on the interpretation. pestilence is one the most common and widely spread. The fourth horse or the Ashen Horse too, is also given Pestilence, Famine, and War as a method of operation, so their is already cross over. However the truth is, in the actual bible they are only referred to as the White Horse and itâs Rider, Red Horse and itâs Rider, Black Horse and itâs RIder, and the Ashen Horse and itâs Rider. (Not even a Pale one, which is the most popular, even you referred to it. I also like the pale or green horse versions more myself.) Each is given a horror that they herald and bring with them. The first having Pestilence ascribed to it very often. Pestilence is ascribed to two riders, and war is to three riders, famine also to two. So, I think arguing over who is what is futile.
As for the question of what I would make a fifth horseman you keep asking. Itâs obvious, the seal breaker. Thats what I would make a fifth horseman. Which in a way, is kind of what we are here. I donât like us summoning named NPCâs, like at all. Itâs going to look real stupid having four Darions running around because there was Four Rider DKS in the group. But, if I were to create my own fantasy Horseman, this would probably be it. The Seal-Breaker, the Herald.
All that said, I would have preferred more focus on us being a rider, more mounted combat work with use bringing Pestilence, War, Conquest, Famine, Death, and Ruin by our own hands. Would have been a lot cooler if the seal-breaker just embodied all four of the other horsemen.
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It isnt. No one even knows where the idea comes from that it is a rider since it doesnt show up in the original text.
White is conquest, red is war, black is famine, and ashen / pale (basically the same thing) is death.
White being pestilence or as a disease, is relatively new and the origin is unclear. It does however say that the white rider came to conquer.
Red says he was granted to take peace from earth and that man would slay one another and he was given a sword.
Black is famine and carries a set of scales due to how bread was weighed during famines. It even talks about grain being worth 10x as normal which is further evidence that he is famine.
Pale, ashen, pallid, is death by name, and basically given the power to kill as he chooses, through plague, through war, through famine, or even using the beasts of the earth. Just the epitome of death.
The Seal Breaker wasnt a horseman though and there are no seals to be broken to release the horsemen in WoW. The WoW Horsemen are after the concepts that the 4 horsemen represent. Whitemanes Famine (even though she rides the white horse), Nazgrims Conquest (even though he rides the black horse).
They were however brought in in the same order as the bible does. Conquest, War, Famine then death. Nazgrim, Trollbane, Whitemane, Mograine.
The DK clearly isnt a rider though which is the point. If the entire concept is just âyou can ride a horse when you use DAâ, or âyou can stay mounted in combat but only in limited areasâ then its a failure of a spec. Rename or redesign it, through I prefer they do both since Unholy got shafted with Hero Specs.
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you argue over the strangest things
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laughed out loud
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Hey, you know you are allowed to believe what you want, but not knowing the origin of Pestilence doesnât remove it from the zeitgeist. Pestilence is a popular, and common use. Youâll just have to get over it because itâs not going anywhere and most people will use it.
As far as the Seal-Breaker goes, it doesnât matter, itâs a fantasy game that takes inspiration from the biblical, not one to one uses. They can do what they want and we can interpret what we want. If I were to make a fifth for the sake of a fantasy game, thats what it would be. You can disagree all you want, but itâs still my answer and a decent one. That said, I personally wouldnât make a fifth, but if I were, the seal-breaker, the lamb, thats what it would be.
Also, just a side note, they were not in order. Nazgrim rides a red horse, making him war and he came first. Sally is on the white, making her conquest/pestilence. Darion a black horse, making him famine, and Trollbane on a green, making him death as sometimes green is deaths horse in media. Itâs already deviating from how you think of Wowâs horseman. Maybe donât put so much stalk in the source when blizzard clearly never did themselves.
I still agree that I would have preferred we do more then just summon the riders, especially NAMED lore characters. But the point is, the source material isnât what is the problem here.
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Then so does everyone else.
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It does though. Its not represented as a rider. Just because something is popular doesnt mean its true or its reflected in the text.
Youll just have to get over that its not a rider. Its not, sorry not sorry, but its not.
It does. The seal breaker isnt a rider. So you have a rider break the seals so the riders can be released? So who then breaks the seal for the seal breaker to be released? If the seal breaker is to break the seals to release the riders then itself cant be a rider⌠makes no sense as a concept even through the fantasy of WoW.
A non rider⌠rider? It literally doesnt make sense.
I will disagree because its not a decent idea.
Again, its not a rider.
Yes they were.
No he doesnt, he rides the black horse, but he was risen first and he is conquest. âNazgrimâs Conquestâ.
That would make Mograine War, but he came last, because he is in fact riding the red horse.
âWhitemanes famineâ she was 3rd to be raised and would be famine.
I already touched on all this im not repeating myself with it.
Wrong.
In color only, but in the order they were raised is the same order as in the bible. Conquest, then war, then famine, then death. Nazgrim, Trollbane, Whitemane, Mograine.
Again, its just the concept and what they represent⌠you guys really reach far and wide dont you? I havent talked about their colors, their armor or anything else, that has been you guys.
Ah, I see you choose violence over reason. imgur/a/IoeN0Qn (add the .com to imgur to be proven wrong.) Thats the originals before they switched them, and even when they did switch the colors it still didnât match the order or theme. Black is Famine, Red is War. Clearly blizzard isnât sticking that true to the source. Also itâs not reaching, you were the one who first brought the source material up, everyone is just using what you gave them to use.
You have a good one out there, buddy.
idk, youve really worked on a reputation here that everyone unanimously agrees on
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What? Nazgrim is Black and Mograine is red.
You do know I touched on this posts ago before you even brought it up right?
Then the next thing I said was
Soooo what exactly is your point here?
It is reaching.
So? That is where they got the idea from. Are you disputing that?
No they arent.
Exactly, you dont know.
Where exactly have I even hinted that I care about a reputation with a bunch of strangers on a forum?
Quit accepting sub par below average design and being hyped up by jangly key horses. No one in this thread really cares about the spec, they just care about the choice node of âOn a Pale Horseâ and âDeath Chargeâ. Once the initial hype wears off and people play it for a week in the alpha / beta, they will see how absolutely boring this spec is in terms of gameplay and not actually embodying what a rider of the apocalypse would be. Mountain Thane brings in the Mountain King pretty well and it shakes up Fury somewhat adding a new ability that they had access too but never used.
Rider of the Apocalypse is just Unholy or Frost DK with a trinket that you didnt have to waste a trinket slot for.
If you are here for some reputation then it explains what is wrong with the DK.
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How youâre not banned at this point is beyond me. You argue with literally everyone.
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How you guys think I should be banned is beyond me. You guys have an authoritarian echo chamber type of mentality. The reason why I havent been banned because I havent done anything wrong. People dont get banned because you dont like what they say, go figure.
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Who cares. Letâs go back to talking about on how epic this spec is!
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I would appreciate it more if they kept the âplayer rides a horse aspectâ and changed the ârandomly summons crappy petâ to something related to the player. Maybe imbune the player with one of the aspects granting US the effect, not having to worry about the pet aspect of it. Maybe your horse changes color, or you get some kind of aura animation, anything other than summoning another pet.
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the wowhead article does a pretty good review of this tree for unholy
I get it man, you just want to fight and not look at links of proof given, and make up lore that doesnât exist to support yourself. (Find one quote that says Whitemane is famine.) There is no debate to be had here. Iâm not going to pile on you like some people, you can have your last words to feel like the big winner if you want. I wish you the best dude, I really do. Hope you find your happiness.
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Havent made up any lore lol.
Why else would you have a talent called Whitemanes Famine?
Because you have nothing. Nazgrim is on a black horse, Mograine red and has been on a red steed since Wrath. Because you have something from an alpha build or beta build means nothing. His father was also the red rider.