the fact you’re hyper focusing on judo Christian religions in a video game is dangerously pointless, your the leader, the 5th rider that has been established in dk lore, you are the deathlord. this entire line of reasoning reminds me of the templar feedback thread where people are scream about “how this doesnt fit real templars” when ingame and its real life counterparts are extremely different in all aspects but name
i mean thats all the horsemen in wow ever been since classic naxx. dk’s on horses (with one being a paladin for some reason).
this again feels like the issue stems from the name “hero talents” when its quite literally the same if anything more impactful than artifact weapon talents
im curious, what did you wanted from rider? how would you fix it?
That is where Blizzard got the idea from. The 4 horsemen of the apocalypse. Its like you telling me that “focusing on the norse blah blah blah…” thats where they got Thorim, Loken, Sif, Angrboda and on and on. They didnt just make this stuff up.
So the 4 horseman are after things that would destroy the world, famine, conquest, war and ultimately death. So what would the 5th be? You arent the 5th rider, you call them, you are a Harbinger of the Horsemen. All that YOU are going to do is play the same spec like you have always been doing… what kind of 5th rider is that bs? Quit with the copium, its bad design.
Then there doesnt need to be a hero spec for it… congratulations you played yourself.
Just taking at face value of what we are given. Artifact weapons were actually really impactful and these things arent even close to being on that level.
I didnt want it at all because its a bad idea from the get go and there is really nothing they could do with the name given, and that has been pretty much proven with them not being able to do anything with the name that would represent what the riders are.
i wont tell you that because i dont hyper fixate on the irl inspirations of ingame things. if we do, then i can tell you that fury who are based on barbarians shouldnt use two two handers and go full sword and board. or deathknights shouldnt be plated monsters but clothed robed angelic figures like the original 4 horsemen. if we dive deep into the irl inspirations of things then you’ll notice nothing in this game or in any media is “correct”
again your fixating on the name and frankly the solution here is to rename the tree, because your not the first pepega that points at hero talent names and scream that its “not accurate”
i literally said that as well. i didnt play myself at all. i just dont hyper focus on names
??? % wise alot of these hero talents seem to be more impactful. which is my feedback is coming from. % gameplay.
okay so the feedback here is change the name? you dont really know what you want from rider and always thought rider was a bad idea thats fine.
In regards to the horsemen, I do hope they get some better models. Poor Mograine has been having an identity crisis himself jumping from his red ICC set and his Ulduar set
Point being having each horsemen get some updated armor and stuff would be really nice!
You already did tell me that lol, and you even said it was dangerous. Seriously?
Then you bring up real life humans like its the same thing as the supernatural or fantasy.
Because that is actually important in describing something. Its like something being called a stormbringer and it has nothing to do with wind rain or lightning but raising rocks from the ground. That would be a geomancer. Naming is important.
So is something says Rider of the Apocalypse I fully expect for my character to me a damn rider of the apocalypse not just a regular unholy or frost DK on a horse that has a glorified trinket.
They arent. And you have absolutely no clue how these would perform and this isnt even the time for % based feedback, This is feedback on the concept. We arent even in alpha or beta yet and you are talking about performance… laughable.
Did i stutter? Either chance the name to accurately describe what the spec is, or redo the entire spec to be what the name now describes. Or, which is what blizzard will probably do, do nothing and be failures.
Yes, because there is nowhere to go in making the DK a Rider of the apocalypse which has been proven with their lack of making a 5th rider out of the player DK. And no we arent the 5th rider because we had a hand in creating the new horsemen. Does that also mean we are ghould becaus we raise them?
No, no it doesnt.
This is a failure in concept and boring in terms of gameplay. It doesnt shake up the gameplay at all.
i used it as a example? dude i didnt think i had to dumb it down even more
you ride a horse anyways so woohoo your a horsemen. thats how little difference there is between a horsemen in wow and a regular dk
you know since rider is largely passive you can make educated estimates on their impact, plus alot of hero talents have values we can use in their tooltip and alot including templars are already more % valuable than the ashbringer. simply from talents like “after divine toll your judgements do 100% more st damage”.
your malding alot for a name. like alot of people are getting waaay to upset over a name. touch grass
okay, but whats the difference between a rider and a regular dk?
your the one bringing up the actual four horsemen. the real four horsemen arnt cladded in armor. theyre robed angelic figures. so by your logic, dk’s horsemen should wear cloth to be appropriate to the theme it was inspired by
There are no “actual four horseman” nor are they real.
Wrong. Just entirely wrong. Its about what they represent and I have brought it up MULTIPLE times. WHAT WOULD THE 5TH HORSEMAN BE? WHAT WOULD IT REPRESENT?
And im not talking about their looks but what they represent like I have said about 50 times by now but clearly these forums have an issue with reading.
Playing what game? What is wrong with you? Seriously?
conquest
there has always been a different 4th one if you are going off of IRL Abrahamic religion lore. thankfully, that doesn’t matter at all for world of warcraft rider, which can be whatever they want with any quantity
Aye. War, result of war, iconic reason for famine, famine, and then the result of any of the above?
Would probably need to mix, ideally around the actual four: Wrath, Scorn, Corruption, Hunger… maybe Abandon (shamelessness, recklessness, obsession, betrayal)?
Damn, even then first four still about covers it. If you could debuff self to double down on another rotated buff (e.g., from your most recently summoned Horseman), though, then at least maybe there could be an interesting tie-in that’d be thematically fitting…
Conquest is there already, and pestilence isnt a horseman of the apocalypse.
Also, the bible did and does have an impact on WoW as do many other things and religions.
Pestilence doesnt necessarily cause death, sickness sure, death not always. Famine however WILL. If you cant eat or drink you die, no way around it.
This is the issue with Rider, there was nowhere for it to go in terms of turning the DK into a Rider. It was always going to miss the mark so they had to just create something with horses.
This is a poorly thought out spec as is San’layn. Just lame uninspired wastes of time. Another vampiric strike? We have DS. Trollbanes talent is forced yet its going to be completely wasted on bosses. Cant slow bosses so unless the shatter does damage its a waste.
I dont know why people accept this sub par junk all the time.
you misunderstand me. it is not a canonical text to the game, the game does not need to follow any rigid lore set up by the bible. there could be 50 DK riders in the lore. the amount necessary is up to the lich king and not the bible.
That isn’t what was written nor was it done with the hero spec. They took the 4 Horsemen from the bible and left it at that through what they represent.
There is also no more Lich King and he always stopped at 4 Horsemen. Kind of pointless talking about what the writers could have done when they didn’t and still haven’t.
