This is bad. I hope it won’t make it to the live servers.
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Watch as all the priest overwhelmingly do NOT want it and the devs just push through with it just because.
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Well so far, I saw absolutely no one saying they want this version of Oracle. Only people proposing slight changes were doing so in case they force this tree on us, to make it slightly less terrible
There was a mention in interview they had a backup plan, but who knows if that is a completely different tree.
If they are so adamant in making priests DPS output go through others, I am not against it, but a ST PI and variations is bad and just cause insane frustrations for everyone involved. It is time they accept that this is how the overwhelming majority of priests (and PI recipients) feel
All this to say; they might still force this tree down on us yes… But I’d like to believe they are actually listening to the feedback they are asking for, this time.
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I saw this video earlier today.
Unless I’m missing something (I was working and a bit distracted while this was on in the background) they seem to like Power Infusion AND this new Premonition version.
I think they lost the plot as the things they are sighting as the reason WHY priests hate it so much is imo just a footnote.
So not sure if they were saying they like it in jest or they were being serious cause I just think they are way off base.
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For me this is yet more proof that the concept was invented for Disc and they are trying to shoehorn holy content into the design. No other trees I have seen have so many talents that basically read: If spec A modify spell X, if spec B modify spell Y.
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I only listened to half of that so maybe there’s important things I missed, but he mainly seems to just be going off on people not liking it because it affects their parse, which is from what I’ve read, the last thing people care about with this ability.
They hate the gameplay design of it and I’m not sure he gets that.
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ill be honest if this goes through and is the meta i will no longer be playing preist. if i want to play a support spec with a bunch of hoops to jump through ill play aug.
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i really hate how dismissive he is to peoples concerns about it. just another L take from him
edit: just another note them talking about this gives me super big echo chamber vibes. like if your goign discuss something like this how about you get someone on that disagrees with you and have a real convo about it other than just shaming people for wanting to be competitive.
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I listened to it and yes it seems they are both very eager to just dismiss all criticism of PI and Oracle as “but mah parses”. Which I am a bit sad, Bell usually, to me at least, feels like he’d be open to conversation and different view point.
Like… theres a difference between trying to parse top 1% and having your spec nerfed due to PI to the point where you’ll be “ok” with it, but without will just feel like you are being taxed for what others are getting. Does that relate to parses? Sure, but its still not the main issue.
And I’ll say it again; priests not having a proper defensive and a brez is definitely hindered by the existance of PI and twin suns.
And to say something else again again, because that video hints about people not being ok with support style abilities; I am pretty sure very few of us are against support stuff, but we are against support stuff on a spec that isn’t designed for it from the start, and who has to pay a tax to be able to use that single support button.
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And because I can, hi from my priest.
Because I’m a rogue main doesn’t mean I don’t play my lovely little holy priest. Doesn’t really do anything to validate my opinions I said so far, but I at least wanted to say; one of us!
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Keep in mind the limitations of the talents affecting both Prayer of Mending and Power Word: Shield. Power Word: Shield has a lower cooldown and can be bypassed with Rapture. Prayer of Mending doesn’t have those benefits, so I expect Archon to be far more Holy focused with Shadow shoehorned in at least.
That video is full of tone deaf takes.
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I don’t want aug to exist, let alone get turned into it. As a player of all 3 priest specs, I hated PI being an ally cast to begin with and I hate even more that you’re doubling down on it – and in the jankiest way possible. Cycling through options feels so bad on TF in LoL and this is basically the same thing with way more complexity in a way more complex environment. A 50 second CD with potentially 12 seconds of focus on the ability while doing other stuff is just… overbearing.
I fundamentally do not like this ability regardless of numbers. You could balance it, play with the duration, CD, etc, but I would at best play Oracle in spite of it. I cannot stress enough that I would rather the entire concept of external offensive CDs on priest be scrapped.
All that said, let’s talk about the rest of the talents, primarily from a holy perspective. I like 2 seconds off Purify, but that’s about it. Holy is so saturated with PoM talents. Don’t get me wrong, I like PoM, but an entire slice of the tree is dedicated to PoM interactions. There’s barely a mention of any other rotational spells for either holy or disc. Just Renew/Atonement duration, Radiance/PoH, and PW:L. No heal, flash heal, holy words, CoH, or anything else.
The instant cast PoH is just massively underwhelming. PW:L just feels like a conditional serenity tacked onto the rest of the kit. GS duration is just depressing.
Maybe these changes might make sense in the context of other class changes, but right now they’re just fundamentally a miss. Please for the love of god delete premonition.
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Commented earlier but not sure if I included my other thought that this iteration of a “divine seer who peers into the future to protect their allies” has almost no representation in its current iteration aside from talent names.
Premonition is a reskinned PI that’s far more selective with the buffs provided. And if u misclick the buff, u waste a 1 minute (or 50s depending on talents) cooldown giving a version of PI that offers absolutely no benefit to its recipient.
There’s nothing else in the talents that remotely give a theme of “predicting the future to protect allies.” The entire tree is built around Prem and either flat buffs to existing abilities or QoL talents that arguably should be baseline throughout the whole class (ie angel feather affecting both u and the recipient),
This utter misuse of “Oracle” as someone who was excitedly looking forward to this hero tree is the most disappointing to me. I also have no idea why tf “Oracle” is being given to Disc/Holy yet “Archon” is Shadow/Holy.
“Seeing visions of the future” thematically fits shadow way more than the other specs, especially since shadow is themed around psychic damage and affecting peoples’ sanities.
“Archon” evokes images of a divine being of ultimate radiance. This is also reflected in almost every TTRPG that exists (Archons are almost always a divine celestial being), and fits Disc/Shadow way more than Holy/Shadow.
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Highly likely, seeing how they still force voidform on shadow spec, even though its so far-gone from its original design.
And to this day, they still force these incomplete bad shadow designs for an entire expansion.
i expect the same with this… horrible.
Agreed 100 percent.
the only way i see this being included in holy/disc is if they make it TIMEYWAMEY. But time magic doesn’t fit well with this class. its just poorly thought out imo.
They just simply made a micromanagement system with PI and passed it as a theme that does not correlate to it at all.
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Not to mention that healing via time magic is already in the game via preservation.
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its such a miss IMO.
really? Archon is shadow holy? is this confirmed?
This should be Holy/ dsic
Oracle imo should be Holy and shadow
void weaver should be disc and shadow. (void should be the absence of light)
but that’s just me.
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Yes,
Voidweaver would make no sense for Holy, Oracle is already Holy/ Disc so all thats left is Holy/ Shadow: Archon.
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I see Archon as the ultimate power. Ultimate ruler or authority.
Well Holy is the ultimate power of light and Shadow is the ultimate power of dark.
Discipline walks the line between both.
So it does make sense for me that Archon is between Holy and Shadow as they are FULLY engulfed in their respective themes while discipline is walking both sides so it can never fully commit.
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