Feedback: Hunters

In Development Undermine(d) PTR Discussion
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Thats not calling you names, thats asking you if you are cause you are missing a huge chunk of the players telling us to shut up and go play BM.

I dont care if it is old school, new school university or college, it is exactly what you said we are only getting now.

We already had what you argued you wanted, you can argue if its the choice is optimal or not, you can argue if its poorly designed or not, but nevertheless the option existed for you.

Now the option is ROBBED from me and other players. Im not getting a half-assed or suboptimal option like you did, i get NOTHING.

And why this does? what part of the sharpshooter handbook have a eagle doing crap for you sometimes, cause you have no control over?

I would be LESS pissed if they didn’t tried to force this crap bird as a band-aid option, it pisses off people who like their pet and pisses off people who didn’t want any pet

They why people keep playing WITHOUT IT? HUM??? don’t give me that, everyone played with PET cause you want to use its abilities and utilities, people are mad because they could not lust with lone wolf.

The fix for that is simple, give Lone wolf the same treatment of grimoire of sacrifice.

This is the worst option they could have taken, and they need to REVERT regardless what M+ players say about it.

Im telling you, there is no compromise on this matter, they have to revert this decision to remove MM pet and, remove this lame bird and bake the eagle abilities to Lone wolf, end of the story.

No, i got one better idea, we will make then revert this, and you get to play something else if you don’t like how they will fix Lone wolf

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To answer some of this, I think part of the pet removal thing is because of a coding issue within the game that makes it so if they implement the eagle then it takes the place of your summoned pet but becomes a placeholder off screen and they haven’t found a way just yet to implement it in a way that solves both at the same time/vice versa, but thats just my head canon theoretical change from working in IT. I don’t actually have a clue why they did it that way just that they did do it that way and Blizzard is notorious for taking feedback and bricking good ideas behind cement walls because its either all of it or none of it and i’d rather see them implement it THEN change things so we dont lose the cool and good idea forever.

As for playstyle, I have to disagree. You say you are old but old is a bit subjective, I am 32 years old and to some peopls that’s old and to others it isn’t. MM has been slower paced, I agree with you, but thats something that we all liked. What we did not all like was that half of the MM fantasy is to be a sniper, and a big huge wolf or spider or rhino or cat or whatever you want would give you away instantly the moment it moves to attack. An eagle surveying a battlefield lets you use the magical side of hunter to mark targets and fulfill that fantasy and opens up that board of cool stuff.

I agree losing your pet sucks, but what about all the people that have watched as every class and spec has been refantasized and reoriented to fit what the playstyle ACTUALLY describes only for MM to be skipped over repeatedly and then it finally happens and we’re focused on not the talents, but the one point where you lose your pet. I get that you may not like BM, I never did. But that’s something I have always disliked. I do not like pets in games because the pet ai seems to always break or bug or do something stupid that messes me up. Can’t trust it to always do as you ask. But I have always loved the style of magic archer and using uniquely honed skills to take down targets and there is NO class in the game that does that at ranged with a bow. MM is designed to be that exact class and thats what it was meant to be. I agree losing the pet feels bad but i’m not gonna shoot down the one good opportunity for a decent idea because a mechanic that most MM hunters dint interact with at all is up on the chopping block. It doesn’t make sense to. Every class has to be unique in some way and MM with a pet is just BM but you shoot arrows instead of tell your pet to bite and that isn’t enough of a difference. Respectfully, it’s just a remnant from old WoW that needed to be upgraded a long time ago and saying it’s bullcrap that we have to play something else? I’ve been playing for 19-20 years now and I have had to swap multiple tikes because class fantasy changes but now one comes thats dope and I am being told to shove it feels like I made the sacrifice to not speak up ajd lots of players got what they wanted but then when it comes to what I want, I have to roll over. Not happening. Nope. I finally can see a goal for class fantasy that is worth pursuing, I just want them to give all pets back and just make the eagle do it’s thing

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Yeah that’s kinda my point. I don’t think the changes are bad, could be fun. Who knows yet.

But losing our ability to use pets AT ALL, definitely a sh*t decision.

If i’m not in raid/m+ you’d better believe kitty is by my side.
Which is 90% of my playtime actually… so why are they proposing removing them?! It’s weird.

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I got a better one, how about it goes through and you get to stop playing the game becsuse you think it’s fair to tell others hos to enjoy their game but when someone does the same to you it’s a capital punishment?

There are so, so many players that want these changes but the vocal people are the ones moaning about the loss of a pet and you jave deliberately missed out where I said to give your pets back and not let that part through but let the eagle and the talent changes in and you can play it optimally, suboptimally or however way you want and you get your pet but acting like your word is greater than mine because you checks notes play delves by yourself all day and do suboptimal playtime with your hunter is asinine and shows me that you live in a world devoid of logic and reason. You don’t get what you want? Burn the world down. If someone else gets what they want at your expense after dealing with being the one losing for 20 years and not saying a word at all, tells me it’s your turn to suffer the same way that all of us did. Nocone wanted Lone Wolf, we wanted petless hunter that sniped. Guess we’ll see what makes it through at rhe end of the day

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And I fully understand that, it’s a weird thing that, like I said, could be something on the technical side that is causing the change to be so heavy handed, I don’t know. But I would rather see this come into play and have it tweaked and worked on than taken out back and obliterated. I play all aspects of the game. Delves all the way to the end, raid to AotC, Dungeons to Keystone Hero, and and the only aspect I choose to ignore is PvP because its just psychotic nowadays and I NEVER use my pet unless I know I am gonna use it for lust and then I switch off LW for something else which, by the way, most of it just feels bad now cause the dark ranger bugs but hey they’re fixing those

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You still dont understand dear

YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO PLAY WITH PET OR WITHOUT PET RIGHT NOW, there is two playstyles for me and for you to pick

They are REMOVING MY PLAYSTYLE while letting only yours, and you think it is somehow fair and comparable? You want me to shut up about they removing the way i play just because you didn’t like your option enough?

No

And there are many players dont want these changes, you do not get to say you are majority in this matter because this change only cater to M+ players who are minority.

There is even a bigger chunk of the playerbase who dont frequent the forums and are casuals who will get pissed about this

Then what the hell are you even talking to me for? we have nothing to discuss

I also already told you, many times they should shove this lame bird in their behind and bake the abilities into lone wolf, you literally get the same thing they are trying to force, but you don’t get a bird and i get my pets back

Literally everyone wins.

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I like the idea if the bird personally and think it’s an interesting way for the hunter to be marked and what you are missing is that I have wanted MM to actually BE a sharpshooter class and I havent got that for 20 YEARS because of weird asinine issues about a pet that has NOTHING to do with MM. Your job as a Marksmanship hunter is to use your weapon to take out targets at a distance, no ifs, no ands, and no buts about it. That is your SOLE purpose. Your animal that you tamed does NOT help you in your endeavor at ALL other than to face tank stuff for you.

Now, again, regardless of all of that, I STILL said that I WANT them to let you guys have whatever pet that you want to use and let the bird and the talents through and let them tweak it any way that they want while you still get your blasted pets but you’re so focused on me saying MM = no pets that you are missing the point. Your playstyle for MM is OUTDATED. It’s come and GONE. Every class in WoW has a class fantasy upgrade and BM is the quintessential pet hunter with Survival being the pick your best friend and go hunting one where MM is the shoot from a far and blow their heads off before they even see you spec and that has nothing to do with ANY animals whatsoever BUT if they INSIST on having an animal then at least it’s an eagle because it makes WAY more sense than ANY other animal to be in that position.

Lastly, Lone Wolf wasn’t an appeasing “here you go” option. It was the blasted MAIN FOCUS OPTION FOR PROGRESSION TO CLASS FANTASY because MM is a PETLESS specialization and HAS BEEN for a LONG time now. Just because people who play solo, or run delves and do world quests or whatever it is that they do like their pets doesn’t mean that everyone ELSE who plays the FULL game should suffer in a class fantasy vaccuum because you like your precious pet. Lone Wolf has been in the game for a VERY long time and it’s intention was to push MM to be petless, but they left it open for people like YOU that wanted to still play it with a pet. They didn’t do it for me, because if they did, then they’d have been making more strides to make MM MORE PET RELIANT but they ARENT because thats NOT WHERE THE FANTASY GOES.

Go back and check on old patch notes and you can see them talking about MM and having them move away from using pets for the last like 10+ years of the game’s existence. This was the inevitable way forward. But even still after ALL of this, me personally, I want you to have your desired pet because I don’t want you and anyone else to quit the game but I also want to see these changes go through but with the minor change to let you pick the pet. That’s it.

Edit: spell checking cause typing on phone gets messy sometimes and I miss things

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This is what i cant understand

You say you want a sharpshooter, but you like the bird, going entirely against your own idea, how this is different from just summoning a pet eagle like before?

Sharpshooters DONT use birds to hunt, this is literally counterintuitive, even usual Falconry is completely different from this and they use hawks not eagles.

It is simple, if you want to make an option to play without pet, do it, don’t bake a lame bird on it just trying to gaslight people who lost their pets

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Does this give you the mechanical option that you want, with having a Bloodlust without needing to call a pet?

Because those two changes do not require the complete overhaul that you’re insisting everyone else accept simply because it has those two changes as part of it. They could trivially implement those separately from the rest – they already have for the PTR!

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I think MM losing a pet is a fantastic idea and really buys into the class fantasy if you want pets play BM I say great work blizz

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11.1 Dark Ranger Marksman Feedback

There is a slight discrepancy with the new Headshot talent and how Black Arrow plays in AoE
Currently for AoE damage when volley is not active, we need to Multi Shot to activate Trickshots so that Black Arrow can benefit from Bleak Powder, that means that Dark Ranger will mostly never be able to consume precise shots with Black Arrow in an AoE situation rendering the talent ineffective as it will be consumed by Multi Shot (Forced to talent into Deadeye by default)

Possible Solutions:

  • change the talent to make it so that Black Arrow will instead benefit from Spotters Mark at 25% effectiveness but not consume the buff
  • change the talent to make it so that Black Arrow can instead benefit from Spotters Mark at 100% effectiveness and consume the buff
  • Introduce the Dragonflight S3 and S4 tierset as a talent to allow volley (Trickshots as a result) to be active through uptime so that Black Arrow can also benefit from Precise Shots without losing out on Bleak Powder

The changes look very promising otherwise and i personally cannot wait to try this out, very excited!

Thankyou

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I’d prefer they actually take their time and do it right over a rushed hatchet job that will require significant reworking and tuning throughout the rest of the expansion.

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All MM wanted, all every hunter wanted, was to have lust taken off the pets lol.

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Did you not read any of the changes?
Bloodlust becomes baseline for MM, and Mortal Strike becomes baseline in Aimed Shot.

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I glanced at them briefly.

I already figured it out afterwards though, thanks.

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Agreed, but it really needs to be customizable. Perhaps being able to pick a flying pet in your stables as the “eagle” (e.g. any bird of prey, maybe even go slightly further with carrion bird, wasps, dragonhawks and whatever flying mechanical pet too).

This would be a decent comprimise to many of the complains seen in this thread so far, and I don’t feel like adding 50 glyphs to the game would solve any of them. This would tie well into the existing collections people have, and is something that has already been considered for Animal Companion, just transfer that slot to MM to pick your “eagle”.

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Perfectly happy with the changes for Marksmanship. Includes a ton of stuff which has been requested by the hunter community for a long, long time. Lone Wolf has been the design for Marksmanship for almost a decade now and I think the vast majority of people who are selecting the spec are doing so because they don’t want to deal with pets, especially in competitive content.

Even in open world, I see a lot of people denouncing these changes as a negative to their soloing ability. I don’t really see where they’re coming from. In open world, nothing really ever hits hard enough or lives long enough for the pet to be relevant anyway. In Delves, whenever I’ve done them as MM with a pet I’ve found that most of my gameplay is just Misdirecting and making sure Mend Pet is up otherwise he just dies anyway. And even then the pet isn’t really doing anything. It’s a liability because it has no interaction with our kit, which is a good thing. I as an MM Hunter chose the spec in part because of the spec fantasy for over 8 years now of being a petless spec, where summoning a pet was gimping yourself anyway unless you were forced to do so for some specific piece of utility which always felt bad.

This change frees up a ton of design space to actually craft a unique identity for Marksmanship which has been a long time coming.

These look like positive changes. There are two other specs in which have a pet and actually have gameplay interaction with the pet.

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Well i think different, i think thevast majority of the people select this spec are doing so because they dont want to be melee(survival) and dont want a Zoo(BM) they want only one pet.

So, who is right and wrong?

That sounds like a you problem if you dont see it.

What a nice identity calling out for a bird by RNG, instead of lean into single pet or petless spec, bravo.

So you want people to pick other options, but you didn’t want to pick other class when MM had a pet, sounds a bit hypocritical.

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In the patch they will have the option to go single pet with BM too.

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You still are 100% dependant of Dire best, so it is a Zoo with one main pet or two.

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