As long as the tuning is such that it is never correct in any circumstances to run the pet for max damage/survivability in group content, and the focus economy gets fixed, fine
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It’s no less discontinuous than spending 5 levels of being told to tame and level a pet, and have it disappear afterwards without warning completely. There is some potential to smooth it out and make it less jarring for new players, though 7 levels isn’t that long in the current levelling environment.
Are… are you using your alts to like your own post?
I’ve seen one poster ask for this, sarcastically, in another thread.
EDIT: you ARE using your alts! Hint: they’re almost all in the same guild…
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Max damage - Eagle.
Max survivability - Pet.
However, in reality the survivability of the pet only comes into play when there isn’t a dedicated tank and healer. When you have those, then the pet’s basically dead weight.
So your concern is unlikely to come up.
Swapping the Trick Shots/AotH with the new Improved SM/UB would give back two levels. Essentially, one at level 17 and the other level 19.
It’s going to be super troll if they don’t think to not let you double dip on the pet passives. Talent tree also now kinda makes less sense spending two talent points on basic pet stuff.
Roar of sacrifice is also much less punishing and much better coming from the regular pet. If I’m talented into pet, I feel like sac should do the same pet sac as the others. Eagle sac is borderline not worth taking because you can’t use it while cced.
That’s the point they are making, but who knows with Blizzard balancing.
Update status: I had not done any delve for some time, so I had forgotten some specifics, lol. Going back on level 11 was harder than I expected.
I decided to go Kriegval’s Rest. I chose it because it’s specially hard for Lone Wolf due to fighting within the candles’ lights. Tried 3 times:
- 1st try. Cleared first room, got bad luck that 2 minions of Zekvir spawned at its exit. It’s those two Ascended that alternate a damage shield every 30s. I hate those. Unfortunately, couldn’t get through them.
- 2nd try. Cleared all Zekvir appearances, got through the entire delve till the final boss. Unfortunately had died twice for idiotic reasons. Took 75% boss’ health, but unfortunately died, first due to bad luck (also because on first try the boss spawns and aggroes immediately after 3 waves of kobolds, so I was at a bad spot in CDs), second for idiotic reason. No lives left, I decided to start again.
- 3rd try. Got to the checkpoint, clearing 4/5 Zekvir encounters, with no lives lost. I thought everything was going well when again the two ascended spawned. Lost 1st life for idiotic reason (I misclick one of them and pulled before I was ready). Lost 2nd life for lack of skill. 3rd try was pretty awesome, I killed one of them and almost killed the other, unfortunately made a mistake near the end and died. I pulled immediately on last life, without waiting CDs, and that was a huge mistake. Lost last life, decided to quit for now.
It’s doable, I’m sure of it, but I made some mistakes and at Level 11 you can’t have those. I’ll keep trying it. I’m sure I can do it.
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Having the two pet talents as the singular path that you can’t skip to trueshot is pretty bad.
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I’d say it’s fine if it’s a regular, heroic, Timewalking, or leveling instance.
You’re right about it being inconsiderate in a mythic run.
I’m going to miss Wailing Arrow. I hope they do end up tying it into the Dark Ranger tree.
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I see nothing in the change that would say otherwise, but… this is the same dev team that dropped a “we’ll take away your pets” stinker right before going on holidays. So you never know…
If it’s anything higher than M0 - sure. Below that it doesn’t really matter.
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Unless there’s some weird way to get both the base buff from Tenacious, and a ferocity/cunning pet passive as well, which may result in being correct to run in some situations.
They could just solve this by making pet summoning a choice node against aimed shot.
Gosh, that sounds like a brutal time. But I’m glad you decided to push yourself! I wish you all the best luck in your attempts. 
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This is a nice start, but it still doesn’t address everything. Further changes that I’m sure many players would want include:
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The ability to assign a stabled pet to replace the Eagle in all Eagle-related animations (Eagles thematically only work for a small handful of playable races)
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The ability to get rid of the Eagle all together to fulfill the Archer or Sniper fantasy.
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That’s why I said redesign the tree. I didn’t mean swap two nodes. I mean redesign the paths.
But I guess that’s a lot of effort.
You would need those two talents anyway, whats the problem here
Pretty sure, Vulonnah’s right - no passives from pets for MM, it’s all from the tree. We’ll have to wait for the PTR build to check, but I can’t see any way in which MM gets to double dip as expected behaviour.
… that breaks the entire tree, since all the talents are based around using aimed shot. It also turns MM into BM, where it’s just “all pet”.
Since the eagle doesn’t come online until level 13 anyways, they could just have Spotting Eagle Turn off traditional pets, then the level 13 talent node be turning them back on or similar.
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I think having a few levels without pet may be a bit wonky, but not a big problem.
- At low levels you are 1- or 2-shotting everything in your path.
- It gives players a chance to experience petless play a bit before they decide to get pet back
- You can still have the pet before level 20, that’s pretty little time without the pet.
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If they don’t forget to block this, it’s going to be mandatory use in PvP. You would take cunning and then use a tenacious pet with Ms or vice versa, take tenacious and use cunning pet with Ms. You get freedom, Ms, fort, and both sets of pet passives. You’d also have the ability to put pet Ms on one target and aimed Ms on other targets. They have to make all of the pets not use their specials, give family buffs, or use masters call effects.
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