If Eye Beam/Fel Devastation, Fel Rush/Infernal Strike, Metamorphosis, Throw Glaive, Demons Bite/Shear isn’t baseline in DF our class is DOA. I personally would hate to see Nemesis come back, but I’m all for bloodlet. I also don’t think all our abilities dealing chaos damage is smart either because of the way defensives on some mob shields and especially in PvP work
PvP can (and should) be always be tuned differently.
The objective here is making Mastery an attractive secondary stat and, without a rework, turning spells into Chaos damage is basically a necessity.
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I agree with the PvP tuning being different, they’ve done that for many many years now. Also I think our Mastery is fine as is. I don’t think Mastery isn’t attractive because of the way it works, I believe this xpacs meta being Sinful Brand/Haste is what makes mastery look bad.
No, that’s not true.
Mastery has been consistently bad ever since BfA. In fact, most of the scaling we had in Mastery was because of Chaos Blades.
The talent got removed, and we lost any reason to stack Mastery. It only got worse when we started using other talents like First Blood, adding different sources of non-chaos damage to our throughput.
Another reason I don’t believe all our abilities should deal chaos damage is if you leave Mastery as is, Mastery would effectively be versatility when playing Havoc. So you’d need a rework to mastery on top of all our abilities doing Chaos damage.
And that’s… fine.
A lot of specs have masteries that are simply bonus damage on their spenders. For example, MM Hunter mastery increases their damage and range.
Fury war is also just a flat damage increase, but is that not the most bland thing ever? And our goal is for our class to not be bland?
Complexity should be achieved through the basic rotational flow, altering it or adding new stuff, not by making mastery a complex thing.
By doing that you risk we get into WW territory. Their mastery is complex, but they also largely ignore it.
I think Havoc having complexity in mastery would be amazing honestly, because there’s no shot they rework our core right? So we’ll still have a pretty simple to use rotation. Maybe something like making fel rush augment our next chaos ability. More mastery % means bigger chaos nova range, eye beam demonic duration, chaos strike damage. Idk but I would be happy for more baseline complexity in our class.
I mean, we need a rework, and that’s not me being subjective.
I’m hoping we get in Dragonflight. If we don’t, this spec is just doomed to always barely survive by being a shadow of borrowed power.
We will not be good in Dragonflight if we don’t get a rework.
We wont be good at all if we cant even get some Blizzard Communication
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I have extremely low expectations for our DF tree, I actually think DH as a whole not only Havoc will be DOA. I’ll still play it, but obviously I’d like us to have more fulfilling gameplay that isn’t RNG Necrolord procs haha
I feel like I’m the only one that likes momentum? Momentum + Essence Break + Unbound Chaos was a lot more fun than Demonic. Demonic just is same rotation but as a Demon. I did however like Darkglare Boon and the many eyebeams and prolonged Meta form.
Linking this just for the addition to the list on that thread
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Mastery will never be a good stat unless 100% of our damage is chaos damage or/and they add some kind of talent synergy. See antorus dh that only used chaos strike, eyebeam, and foti. All of these did chaos damage and yet vers was still pretty competitive with mastery
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They still do Chaos Damage, just our Mastery was nerfed into oblivion so it doesnt scale as much as verse
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The fact that they’re taking so long to release the DH talents makes me optimistic. Hopefully they’re reworking our base kit!
Or at the very least I hope they make our mastery not complete garbo. Idk how it hasn’t been changed in six years lol
Ty for pointing that out, idk how Illidonkey was confused there
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The point just zoomed right past you didn’t it. They could buff our mastery by 50% and you would still stack vers because most of your abilities don’t do chaos damage
Almost every class stacks versatility in some way so we are laughing at you. If your argument was for mast/Vers instead of haste/vers it would be understandable