False reporting and automated ban

Oh dear, I’m very sorry, Forums <3

I don’t know what “Minority Report” nor “Fresh Forum Avatars” means. You’ve mentioned “Fresh Forum Avatars” constantly, and I’ve asked you what this means, several times, and you still haven’t answered.

Again, I’m trying to tell my story, but you’re more interested in bickering than listening.

You’ll have to talk to the OP about this because, once again:

I. DID. NOT. MAKE. THIS. THREAD.

I’m suggesting, to you, to make the Report and DROP the “CS Forums” jargon because you’re preaching to the wrong the person. I’m only RESPONDING to it and having a DISCUSSION. That’s what we do, on the forums, right? We DISCUSS things. That’s ALL I’m doing. You are, in fact, SILENCING me, personally, from continuing this thread, on THESE Classic Forums, proving, once again, your authoritarianism.

You’ve already made this point. There’s ZERO reason to keep repeating it. The more you repeat yourself, the more I repeat myself, and that’s ALL this is. I can’t help but think you’re purposefully trying to derail this thread because you want it gone from the Classic Forum.

Which I think still fits with the Classic Forum because it’s talking about it’s potential issues, it may or may not ('cause it can go either way) have in Classic. Just like with Loot Trading, Sharding and Guild Banks. I’ve mentioned this already. Once again, you’re only interested in cherry picking at nonsensical parts of my posts. Stop it.

And I’m not being manipulated by anybody, sweetie. I already told you, I’m only speaking from MY personal experiences. Once again, please do NOT include me in stuff, I have no involvement in. I’m talking about me and ONLY me and sharing MY story. Not anybody else’s. Get that through your head.

Do you have any evidence that Blizz doesn’t listen to our “Suggestions”? Let me point out some old Threads complaining about PvP Servers BEFORE they became obsolete: (and here’s when Warmode took over; July 17, 2018):
For some reason I cannot post my proof nor evidence of the official date when Warmode was implemented. That was the “broken link”.

Created on June 13, 2016 (2 Years BEFORE the implementation of Warmode)

Created on December 30, 2015 (3 Years Ago)

And just for Aehl, a lovely poster talking about the SYSTEM of PvP Servers, yet they are NOW obsolete, so what say you now, Aehl, oh wise one that knows everything? Policies CAN change! Which is EXACTLY what I agreed to, Sir! And this Thread (talking about the Report System) is nothing more than a thread advocating for CHANGE!

Created on March 2, 2015 (3 Years Ago)

Created on August 31, 2016 (2 Years Ago)

Created on Dec. 25, 2016 (another 2 Years Ago)

Is that enough proof, of “suggestions”, for you, to realize change CAN happen, and that’s why you’re in a hurry to shut this thread down?

And if you don’t report it, how is it going to get moved over to the CS Forums? :crazy_face:

Now, you’re being repetitive in a spammy manner. Remember, “Spam” means to repeat, constantly which you are repeating yourself, constantly within this same thread. You only need to say it once.

If I’m uniformed, how come you haven’t EXPLAINED further BEYOND the same jargon? :thinking:

I didn’t say “free speech”, I said “speech”. A right to basic talking. Apparently, you cannot understand my clearly spelled out posts :thinking:

I agree, and if they don’t understand, we should explain in a non-hostile manner.
Along with NOT assuming everyone is all on the same team. I, in particular, am speaking for me and ONLY me! :unamused:

In this next Quote, I cannot quote Images, so here’s the link that Padrepwn provided:

OK, so you were WRONG about the Silence lasting only an hour, and I was right, even if I misinterpreted Studmuffyn’s post about “up to” 24 hours. The minimum is 24 Hours and is DOUBLED on a repeated offense, with NO maximum! Meaning, if it’s the THIRD offense, the penalty is 96 Hours. So, if an entire Guild Squelches one person, and it’s their first Squelch, that already eats up their 24 Hours. If they get Squelched, AGAIN (unjustly), it doubles to 48 hours :thinking:

So the penalty time keeps increasing. In regards to what the Silenced person CAN do, is REPLY to Whispers from NON-Friends, but they won’t be able to INITIATE NOR RESPOND to the advertisements through Whispers (Initiating) nor the General Chats, which I feel would save more time than having to wait around and HOPING the stranger whispers you, first.

That being said, I guess you can cheat it by adding the Stranger as a Friend to initiate the Whisper, but I’m not sure how that works. I haven’t tried it, before :thinking:

But it does state AFTER investigation, but that’s a Silence, right? Where’s the Squelch? 'Cause I’m here arguing about something that’s AUTOmated, NOT investigated :thinking:

I’m not finding evidence of an AUTOmated system which is mainly what I’m fight against. So, perhaps somebody can find that proof, 'cause I can’t find it…thus I will apologize for my ignorance, on that regard.

Also, there’s a slight contradiction with the abilities and disabilities:

Under “Silenced Players Cannot”
Send Party Invitations

Under “Silenced Players CAN”
Create Party and Raids…

That doesn’t make sense… :thinking:

I concur with that and do apologize because I see ZERO evidence about there being an AUTOMATED system. However, there IS a contradiction with the Penalty which could play a factor into the Classic experience, which I did point out.

Again, you don’t know if people’s stories are true or not, either. Enough with the “CS Forums”. We’re here to talk about Classic. I honestly do NOT believe this Thread belongs in the “CS Forums”. We’re talking about the Penalties, and its affects it may have in Classic. It’s NOT a CS issue. We’re discussing if the Penalties would hinder one’s CLASSIC experience. So enough about “CS”.

Because you keep cutting out important information. If you quoted it, in full, you would understand it better. Let me quote it in full, for you because context is important:

I’m talking about Abusers being AUTOmatically punished because you seem to equate them as being punished “equally”, when they’re not if those getting Squelched are being AUTO-punished.

But again, I may be wrong about the AUTO-punished because NOBODY corrected that part. Y’all were too busy nitpicking everything else :unamused:

No, Authoritarian because there’s nothing in the Agreement nor CoC that suggests we cannot say X, Y and Z in certain Chat Channels. That’s your own Dictatorship.

See, this is why I need SPECIFIC examples. It took how long to FINALLY get a SPECIFIC exampled (which is all I ask) to note that you’re not totally crazy because I agree with you that non-stop “Thunderfury” spam, is indeed spam! It’s no discussion but non-stop linking which IS against the Agreement and CoC. It’s not even a discussion.

Yet, we had someone, earlier, talking about how “Non-Game” related discussion isn’t allowed in said Chat Channels. And I gave the example of talking about the different shades of colors being discussed in said Chat Channels, and how it’s NOT a reportable offense! Which I would categorize as AUTHORITARIAN!

It’s NOT difficult to give SPECIFIC examples. IDK why we had to go through ALL of this back and forth bickering, in order for you to give a legit example which is ALL I’m asking, in the first place!

Just TALK with me instead of being all hostile and negative for NO reason!

That’s fair, but Padrepwn PROVED the MINIMUM is 24 Hours and is then DOUBLED with REPEATED offenses.

We’re not pleading innocence, we’re talking about the PENALTY having an affect IN CLASSIC. Nothing CS can do for us, there.

How can you possibly miss it? It says right there? :thinking:

I swear, and people think I’M not reading :unamused:

Fair, I missed the AUTO part is NOT mentioned, so IDK how THAT rumor, got started. Still, the affects of the System may or may NOT be a problem in Classic, so let’s discuss it and go over it.

I’m not being disingenuous, that is all YOU, sir. May I re-quote what you just said and repeat, once more, your abuse of the system?

OK, so YOU said THIS:

Now, READ the CoC, CAREFULLY.

Aehl, YOUR intentions is to RESTRICT their Gameplay! You WANT them Silenced (restricted gameplay), therefore YOU are being disingenuous, dishonest and FALSE reporting, sir. YOU.

And if you don’t feel like you are, feel free to explain to me, what you mean, even though I know you’re full of it and didn’t get a good sense of you, the way you’re short and vague with me. You’re very distant and not expressing yourself FULLY. I don’t trust you, but I would NEVER sit on the sideline, hoping for you walk into the Gray Area and then REPORT, in hopes that “I got you”.

IK that you BARELY hide behind somewhat “justifiable” reports, and the best you have to offer is “bad language”, only shows to me, that you’re more interested in the punishment rather than the lesson learned. And you type with such smirk and smug, that IK it’s what you do, and you’re basking in the glory of all these “tears” you’ve managed to create.

You’re NOT reporting to protect the Blizz Policy. You’re reporting in the hopes of hindering one’s Gameplay simply because you don’t want people swearing, ever (no matter the context). But you hide behind Blizz Policy’s of “bad language”. I see right through you, and the best part is, you don’t deny it. You just keep repeating “Blizz Policy”.

You’re riding that hard line of being a horrible person. I only came to this conclusion because of how you interacted here, in THIS thread.

I was mainly upset about it being Automated which turns out is not true. Which I’ve already apologized for. However, unless somebody comes up with the proof that it’s automated, that argument is out the window.

Another concern, are the penalties of being Silenced and how it may interfere with Classic. I’m more than willing to discuss that, but we’re all too busy fighting each other, instead :unamused:

Once again, there’s nothing in the Agreement that says X, Y and Z cannot be in those Chat Channels. And if your intentions behind your reporting is to SILENCE them, YOU are breaking the CoC.

If your intentions are to SILENCE them, than YOU are breaking the CoC and creating detractions. YOU are a problem! Along with everybody else utilizing the Report feature to INTENTIONALLY silence people.

Again, Aehl, I’m not talking about reporting people for “bad language”. However, like I said, I don’t think really care all that much about “bad language”. I think you care more about silencing people and are doing it oh so subtlety, to ensure your wicked deeds don’t get caught. Just give it time, Aehl. You may think you’re winning now but in the end, you will get caught.

The others, however, don’t have a good enough excuse. The ones I’m talking about said “Non-Game related Discussion”, “Talking about Trump/Politics”, “Religion”, etc. These are NOT topics under the CoC/Agreement by Blizz that are considered “inappropriate topics of discussion”. Therefore, they are policing the Chats and falsely reporting, in the HOPES (anticipating) that they get SILENCED! Which is AGAINST the CoC because they’re INTENTIONALLY trying to SILENCE them rather than reporting them because they are a “true hindrance to the game”.

And if I’m wrong, explain it, then.

You aren’t either. You give up QUITE easily. Especially with me. And I’m not giving up, nor do I plan to.

One SINGLE false flagger (that took you over an hour) who puts his gameplay on full display. We have a plethora here, who aren’t punished, yet. What say you bring forth evidence of more, or do you have just the one? 'Cause I provided a plethora of evidence about the PvP Server thing, took me less than an hour to find those. Writing these posts takes me an hour :crazy_face:

I’m willing to look more into it. I’ve just been doing A LOT of research, on my own to defend myself with. Kind of hard to get all of it, in one day. I did try to search for a more official policy, by Blizz about this imaginary “Automated” system everybody seems to believe, but I can’t find it. Perhaps you can help me :thinking:

Working Customer Service gives me real thick skin. All the false statements people make about me are fantastic :crazy_face:

And you can’t report people with the intention to silence them, either.

Despite what I think of you, I still pursue truth, and this is the truth.

Suggest a different way to handle it, just like those that hated being ganked on PvP Servers. Thanks to them, PvP Servers are obsolete, and we have Warmode, now, DUH!

Same way we discuss GBanks, Loot Trading and Sharding. Why is this any different? :thinking:

This argument doesn’t make any sense. You will have already seen the offender, even with your precious system into play. I don’t understand what you’re trying to argue :thinking:

Unless it’s a “call to violence” speech, I don’t think words are really all that hurtful. You’ve seen how I’ve been treated around here (the forums, in general). Been called an idiot, troll, crazy, etc.

I’ve heard it, all my life, it has no affect on me, anymore. Unless it’s a threat (call to violence), it’s against the law (at least in the USA). That speech is NEVER OK.

As I told Aehl, it’s a call to violence which is NEVER OK. Threats are NOT protected, not even in the US Constitution.

You, of all people, misrepresenting the story. He’s not in jail for Trolling. He’s in jail for THREATENING (call to violence) Blizzard. That Speech is NOT protected, under US laws. It states that he lives in the US, and that Speech, alone, is NOT protected, in the US. CLEARLY, he doesn’t understand his rights :unamused:

Because it’s not about the person swearing. You want them SILENCED! I see right through your smoke and mirrors, Aehl. You don’t fool me.

More evidence that it’s not about swearing but the silencing :thinking:

Squelching - Disables one from utilizing certain aspects of the game.

Blacklisting - Doesn’t really disable one from certain aspects of the game.

You had no business being in this thread, in the first place. That, and you have no argument :unamused:

But you have accused ME, personally, which I already addressed. I just wanted to clarify, that.

I’m hurt. I didn’t get a show :disappointed_relieved:

I gave you proof on how the PvP Server System changed. It may take time, but if enough people continue not being chased off by people like you, it’ll happen. That’s why you keep trying to shut this thread up.

I’ve been researching, myself, all day, strictly, for this topic. And I will continue to do so because you don’t scare me. IK my rights.

Bingo!

But I just typed all of this up, for you :disappointed_relieved:

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Blizzard, hello? Any response to this? Any word about anything? You have your customer-base literally right here. Hello?

Yes you can

Use ` and then the website name like this

www.google.com.au

Squelching - Disables one from utilizing certain aspects of the game.

Blacklisting - Doesn’t really disable one from certain aspects of the game.

:roll_eyes::roll_eyes::roll_eyes:

I tried that, it didn’t work.

EDIT: Hang on, maybe I did it wrong, trying again:
https://wow.gamepedia.com/War_Mode
EDIT 2: Ay, it finally worked!

Is that, all you got, are emote faces? Can’t be bothered to explain?

Never mind. Movie reference.

See that little picture there that represents you? That is your forum avatar. You can change that avatar and look like a different person.
See all these fresh avatars here that have recently joined us here on the forums?

But you keep asking why I want to see them post in CS. You even said you didn’t think this was a CS issue and I told you it’s a CS system ran by CS reps.
So not sure what you’re on about here. You made comment. I explained. Now I’m explaining again.
I’ll suggest every single person who who wants to bring that issue here take it to CS too. Most in this thread don’t even know how the system works or what the restrictions effect. Yet here they are outraged and complaining. Lol

Yes. Well a discussion usually has some facts and when people’s personal experiences are questionable they provide proof to the contrary.
That proof is over in CS. Oh wait…

You keep saying this. If questioning the legitimacy of people’s claims in a discussion (that they have provided no proof of other than their testimony) is authoritarian. So be it. You guys are throwing that word around in here because the alleged cases of abuse have no proof. Just claims.
Claims mostly made by new forum avatars. Lol
Heck one guy even referenced these claims like they were facts and we should just believe what randoms on the internet say with no proof but their word. Well I’m the prince of Michigan and my toilet is made of solid gold too. I use silk toilet paper and pat a servant $100k a year to wipe and flush for me…sounds ridiculous huh? No proof but because I said it on the internet must be true. Lol
If that’s silenced you idk. Find some facts to back up your claims. The only ones actually posted in this thread debunked most of what you guys were complaining about because lol and behold it doesn’t even effect what was claimed will happen in classic with grouping. Lol
Yet we have how many threads and posts screaming the sky is falling? Without even researching how it works? Yet we know that was the plan the whole time. Padre called it way back towards the top of one if these threads. I’ll say it again:
This is an attempt to get GD and CD fired up and supporting this. With no facts. Just alleged claims of how people think the system works and alleged claims of abuse but no proof…yea. I’m not buying what you’re selling. Show me some real proof. Especially when the claims are made by those who don’t even know how the system works…this thread nor the other ones are proof it anything but alt brigading, mass panic without facts, and manipulation of the player base through subversion.
Yes. I read Art of War.

Considering you keep asking…yea. Think I see what you’re doing here. Well like I said if I had this issue in game and I knew i was completely innocent I’d take it where it will get actual results. That’s not here. Lol

Stop adding nonsensical parts to your post. It’s not cherry picking if the whole post is full of it. This comment is case in point. You’re literally admitting your posts are nonsense. Lol

Keep telling yourself that. Lol
Have you been falsely flagged? Have you taken it to the place that will get results?

Do you believe these claims being made with no proof? Yes you do. Youve been here supporting them with no proof. You’ve been manipulated.

Exhibit A: the feedback from bfa beta.
Exhibit B: bfa. Any questions?

They can. It usually takes facts to do so though. Something this issue is sadly lacking.

Advocating a change through dishonest means with unverified claims of innocence too I might add.
Again. You’re missing a whole lot of basic info on this. If you want to really make this change. I suggest getting people to stop alt brigading the topic and find some actual cases of abuse from people willing to step up and allow their claimants to be verified. Until then. This is nothing but an uninformed mob being pushed into a frenzy.
That is obvious when it took how long to get verfiable facts on what the restrictions even effect. Yea. This won’t go anywhere the way you guys are going on about it. Lol

Come now. I know what suggestions are and I know people make them.
As far as shut this thread down? I don’t want to shut anything down. I want to see your side produce some kind of verifiable proof because so far all I’ve seen is claims with no proof.
What you can see going back and reading this again is some folks argued from the point that this will effect raids, groups, and even a world first boss kill.
None of which it actually does. So again. That is blowing this out of proportion with no facts!
So I guess asking for facts could shut down a conversation. When one side doesn’t have any facts that is. Lol
Discuss away but I’ve been asking for facts this entire time and the only ones I see I found myself and Stud found the version on CS website. So yea…

They are not going to move this mess over to CS. Anyone with a mediocre level of reading comprehension can see what this is about and why none of these claims are being taken there.
Plus there’s no reason to flag it. Well technically I guess one could flag a couple of these for spam. Surprised someone didn’t. Lol

Dis ya know you can talk in party and raid with friends while squelched? Did you seek out clarification to even verify the assumptions of the effects in grouping in classic or did ya just run with the narrative being pushed? “Squelch will ruin classic cause we can’t talk in groups” was the narrative being pushed. Which as has been shown is a false narrative.
Ine poster at the top of one of these threads even carried on hiw this could effect a cutting edge world first chasing guild because they could be squelched and that would cause chaos and bedlam. We know that’s BS. World first progression race guild depending on ingame chat to communicate? Pure comedy gold right there.

Clearly you don’t understand your posts or the CoC. Hearthstone says hello too btw. A game you can not talk in just use emotes. Why? Cause the dev’s said no talking. So again your “right” is dependent upon the your adherence to the CoC.

Squelch and silence are two different things. Also I said I think it starts at an hour and that is dependent upon the type of offense.

You do the legwork on this one. I think you’re confusing the squelch here. Either way you find the link how it works and we will discuss.
Cutting this here. I have to go to work. Lol good day.

One forces control over every single person the other grants freedom to all.

Your concept is morally inferior as well as impossible to moderate fairly.

All Blizzard needs to do, and I have requested this since at least BC, is adjust the /ignore command.

Give us an /ignore account then a vast amount of reasons to want right click reporting goes away.

Trolls disappear instantly and their mains they hide behind go with them.

Gold spammers get one shot then the entire account is less effective.

They do not review reports
you can literally win rated battlegrounds by reporting the enemy flag carrier and he gets kicked out of the game.

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It is going to be a real shock for people who haven’t played since right click reporting and think they have the ability to troll people endlessly in chat with no consequences.

If someone is being annoying to you, just hit ignore. Sadly, seeing how people have become so emotionally unstable over the years, this system is basically walking on eggshells.

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LOL , it is 'morally inferior" to expect people to exercise some personal responsibility and tact and not think they need to say whatever they want , whenever they want and think that everyone needs to hear them?

No sorry, that makes zero sense,lol

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Except it clearly is… one allows for everyone to do what they want while allowing those offended to ignore them.

The other allows others to harm one another. You are clearly in the wrong if we are talking from a stance based around morality.

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what on Earth are you talking about? I am talking about why can’t we also expect people to exercise some personal responsibility and tact and not think they need to say whatever they want , whenever they want and think that everyone needs to hear them?

Sorry that is not wrong to hope for that to happen to, you are not free to say whatever you want in WoW, never have been, if thats what you are trying to say.

I am saying that my system is morally superior to what you are advocating for and should be the ideal wow strives for.

Now somethings like gold selling needs to be moderated as well as real life threats but moderation by blizzard should be limited to only the most extreme outliners.

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Lol. Was just going to address this. The funniest part is how their “logic” only really applies to the internet. It completely falls apart in the real world.
Honestly it doesn’t even apply on the internet as companies like blizz have made efforts to deter the type of behavior they are trying to defend. Lol
Comedy gold. Is what it really is. Ya notice the line of reasoning has went from what it will affect in classic grouping right back to the “grow thicker skin” or “use ignore”?

So I say again this has nothing to do with what it will effect in classic and everything to do with people wanting to say anything they want in chat.
That was apparent from the start with the misconceptions of how and what the system would affect though.
Good thing you and I know how to use Google or they would have kept running with the “it’s gonna destroy everything” narrative. Lol
Seems a few avatars bowed out after that as well. At least some may see reason.

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Lol ok, sure , it’s not, but ok, what I said expects people to have some personal responsibility and tact in the first place too sometimes, you think that people should be able to say whatever they want, whenever they want no matter what and always make the other person ‘deal’ with it.

And again , I am not ‘advocating’ for anything, I just put it out there as something that should also be in peoples minds too,

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Why should it be?

Why in a fantasy world of war,death,rape,and torture should someone else’s feelings be in the back of my mind?

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yah I got my answer i needed from you,lol, have fun

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Leave enlightened. You have now seen the folly of your ways.

Go in peace child.
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