False reporting and automated ban

Knocrogue-crushridge · February 4, 2019, 4:27am

Maybe Blizzard will be harsh on abusers. If you report someone and it’s found that you for sure reported them just for the sake of harassment(in terms of getting the squelched), you can no longer use the report system. At least for chat. Reporting cheaters should always be available.
E:Maybe even go further and have their accounts actioned.

Mogar-stormrage · February 4, 2019, 4:27am

That’s an excellent point. Besides the unfair punishment on the player, you’re then also creating work for GMs that they wouldn’t otherwise have to do.

Ellilaine-gilneas · February 4, 2019, 5:25am

Sure it is since every person is different and thus offended by different things.

“Mmmmm bacon” could be offensive to some people for religious reasons, as an example.

Fesz-cenarius · February 4, 2019, 5:34am

How does Blizzard, or anyone, prove “for sure” that the persons who made those reports were just doing so for the sake of harassment?

Why is it such a bad thing to tie the right click report to an auto ignore, not an auto squelch, and leave it up to Blizzard to review those reports and determine what action is necessary?

Luceron-thunderlord · February 4, 2019, 5:55am

No doubt there’s some in-your-face examples that have no place in chat; racial slurs, threatening violence, but bacon?

Maybe if you threatened to force feed bacon to someone, that would be considered a physical threat?

Who knows. Subjective.

Ziryus-doomhammer · February 4, 2019, 5:57am

Well in theory in the old system a GM should have been reviewing every report, now they only have to review when someone actually gets silenced. So less work.

Williams-akama · February 4, 2019, 6:19am

Exactly why mob rule is a disaster.

Switzy-stormreaver · February 4, 2019, 6:29am

Intelligent trolls will learn to report conversations that are close enough to an actual reportable offense that they won’t be actioned for false reporting.

Knocrogue-crushridge · February 4, 2019, 6:49am

I do agree that the auto squelch isn’t needed. But, in the event we are stuck with it, I hope Blizzard plans to punish abusers. As for the proof and such, I think they have chat logs. At least, I hope they do in some regard. If they do, they can see what the two players said to each other. Possibly what the players reporting said and see if it was just some bandwagon deal.

anon44207803 · February 4, 2019, 6:49am

Do the words “lynch mob” ring a bell?

anon44207803 · February 4, 2019, 6:50am

Usually, only in cases where you’re a habitual offender will your reputation suffer to the point where you find it difficult to find groups or guilds, unless you take part in a particularly heinous act, like stealing from a guild bank.

Ahem.

If one has been given access to said bank, then taking things from the bank is not stealing.

One cannot steal from a guild bank one cannot withdraw from.

If the GM is careless with bank permissions, thats THEIR fault.

So in fact, one cannot steal from a guild bank.

Williams-akama · February 4, 2019, 6:52am

Exactly why we don’t need more of it with auto-squelch.

anon44207803 · February 4, 2019, 6:54am

Exactly why we don’t need more of it with auto-squelch.

And name and shame isnt mob law?

Yes it is.

Åpocalypse-illidan · February 4, 2019, 7:07am

I’ll just reply to this thread, the same way I replied to the last thread we had on this exact topic, that also went over 500 replies…

Anyone in favor of this asinine system where players can deal out squelch punishments, before a GM review, feel free to answer, because not a damn one of you could in the other thread:

Automated Bans will slowly destroy Classic

let’s look at a vanilla example… A friend of mine, and a server legend on Stonemaul in vanilla, who ended up passing IRL in Cata: The Shadowpriest Booms.

Booms’s method of making himself (in)famous in vanilla was by becoming the Pirate king of Menethil. He was a Horde Shadowpriest in one of the most accomplished guilds, spent most of his free time sitting on the menethil boat, next to his secondary account’s alliance character named Boomsbot.

Boomsbot’s job was simple… Everyone who wanted to take the boat, had to pay his alliance character a toll, or walk the plank (he spoke in pirate speak the entire time)… He was successful enough at this, for it to allegedly become his primary form of in game gold farming. If you didn’t pay, you got MCd off the boat into fatigue waters until you did. He was ruthless at this…

and he was a LEGEND on the server because of it… He had friends in numerous top horde guilds who would come join in on the fun/get his back if alliance tried to group to take him down, but for the most part he simply became a fixture of every day life for the Alliance there…

I want to be very clear about this… Booms did nothing wrong, and was never once banned for these actions, in fact, Booms was CELEBRATED by both the Stonemaul community in general, and even by Blizzard itself, when he was immortalized as an NPC after his IRL death. https://www.wowhead.com/npc=68985/booms

Now put this same exact situation in the modern right click report/squelch system… Every person Boomsbot talked to probably right clicks his name and reports… It doesn’t matter one damn bit that this is a player that Blizzard themselves celebrate in memorial in game… He’s getting squelched.

He’s now being punished for doing nothing wrong with constant squelches. Moreover, to your assertion that the people reporting him would get banned for causing an inappropriate squelch… ask yourself if they really would? Most of the people reporting him might have even thought that they where doing the right thing in reporting his behavior. Are they punished for trying to use the system honestly? Now what if some people just see him there and spam report him because they don’t like him… How can you possibly differentiate between the reports made in good faith and the reports made in bad faith. Just how much GM time are you now requiring for each and every report to determine intent?

Booms would be auto flagged from reports into oblivion, and it would be impossible to distinguish false reports made in bad faith, from real reports made in good faith. The system is arguably anti-wow in general, but at the very least it’s clearly anti-vanilla as the system completely fails when exposed to a real world vanilla environment/situation.

Williams-akama · February 4, 2019, 7:29am

Again, why I specifically said we don’t need more of it with auto-squelch.

anon44207803 · February 4, 2019, 7:31am

So you are agianst both?

Yes or no.

Knocrogue-crushridge · February 4, 2019, 7:34am

I wonder if people who name and shame are going to get banned for harassment. lol

anon44207803 · February 4, 2019, 7:40am

One would hope.

Williams-akama · February 4, 2019, 8:11am

I do believe that’s already the standard and has been for several years now.

I hear it’s also against forum rules so that being said it’s likely the same in game chat too.

It’s unlikely Activision would have different ToU agreements for different games, but it’s not outside the scope of practice to have different systems inside the different games.

My battle is vs the system, not the rules; because it’s by definition contrary to the spirit of Classic WoW.

Mellga-area-52 · February 4, 2019, 9:42am

Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should