False reporting and automated ban

[Fesz-cenarius]

Sorry bud, but after taking time out of my day earlier to defend my reputation after being called a liar by an unhinged cheerleader of yours, I am not obliged to do your research for you.

The blue tracker I linked shows Y’s posts all the way up to the 11th of this month.

But, nothing prior to Oct. 23, 2018, unless that thread is for some reason not showing properly for me.

As I said, I was not asking you to do my research for me. I explained my reasoning in an earlier post. Obviously you read that post, because you thought you could make me look like a fool by linking the Blizz tracker thread that contains no posts prior to Oct. 23, 2018, unless for some reason even that thread is not working properly for me. Maybe you did not realize that thread only went back a limited time.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Classic WoW is a very different animal, you NEED a group to play Classic WoW, and the only way you can get that group is though chat. Getting Squelched may as well just DC you and not let you log back on because that’s roughly where you are after that takes place… Totally up the creek; this is something I very much doubt that Blizzard will be in favor of given their lenient nature and the design implementation of Squelch in the modern game being only a very minor slap on the wrist regarding the game play and interaction.

Now when you look at what Squelch does in Classic; that’s an entirely different kind of punishment because it’s no longer just a slap on the wrist but in fact GAME OVER for that player.

That’s a gross over exaggeration all the squelch does it prevent you from talking public channels and messaging random people. You can still talk with and group with friends and guildies, you can still do everything in the open world including leveling and farming.

Classic WoW is a very different animal, you NEED a group to play Classic WoW

No you don’t, you can do quite a lot in vanilla without grouping. And the squelch doesn’t even keep you from grouping.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

The tracker I linked literally shows ythin posts up to the 11th as well as all bornakks stuff since he swooped in up till 2 days ago. So yes, it is an issue with your browser. I am on an ipad so posting and linking a screenshot is not currently an option.

edit, nevermind I read your post wrong, I thought you were saying AFTER 2008. If it doesnt show up in the tracker yu can probably chalk itup to this pitiful laughtastic horribad forum software.

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

It’s interesting I agree, but what’s also changed is how the game is played. That’s a very big component of how these systems interact with the game.

The problem with the modern Squelch system is that it’s intended to be more of a slap on the wrist than a game breaking feature that makes participating in game impossible.

If Blizzard had indeed wanted the squelch system to make game play impossible they would have simply caused it to log you out and prevent you from getting back on until the squelch lifted.

That’s effectively how things will be for many players who do not play hunters / warlocks or hybrids in Classic WoW if they’re squelched in game.

Essentially if you’re playing the wrong class and you get squelched in Classic WoW you may as well not log back in after the game gives you the booter to change your rights structure because not only are you totally hosed regarding getting into a group meaning that you are effectively eliminated from the game, but you very well may have been already in combat with an NPC or an enemy team and got DC’d at the worst possible time causing your group, raid or pre-made to wipe due to that DC.

There has got to be a better way to handle Trolls, and that’s what this system is about… Dealing with Trolls, and super toxic behavior in chat, but this system as I told Ziryus is designed for the modern game where the majority of it can be indeed played solo by any one.

That is just not true in a universal way for Classic WoW, there are some builds that simply cannot be played effectively solo, and worse there is no LFG type mechanism there to get the Squelched player into a group to play with in an automated way.

Because there will be no LFG / LFR or any other automated match making system, Squelch cannot work as intended and should not be included at all just on the basis that it does disqualify certain players from actually participating in the game in a core way.

I agree with you and Ziryus that Trolls and Toxic nonsense should not be in chat, but there has got to be a much better way to handle that than a system that would be 100% game breaking in Classic WoW.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

That’s effectively how things will be for many players who do not play hunters / warlocks or hybrids in Classic WoW if they’re squelched in game.

Every class is capable of leveling and farming solo.

And of course the squelch does not prevent you from grouping with friends and guildies.

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

Every class is capable of leveling and farming solo

Tell that to a holy priest, disc priest or a protection warrior Ziryus, they’re 100% designed to play with groups, not solo. You’re thinking of things from your perspective as a druid, and that is a very different way of playing the game.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

A) it is not remotely “gamebreaking”, and the word toxic has ceased to mean anything
B) I cannot help but notice you chose to ignore my earlier proposal, posted a number of times.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Sorry bud, but after taking time out of my day earlier to defend my reputation after being called a liar by an unhinged cheerleader of yours, I am not obliged to do your research for you.

The blue tracker I linked shows Y’s posts all the way up to the 11th of this month.

I’m defending my reputation, as well. Telling somebody that “they’re lying” doesn’t mean that I’m calling them “a liar”. I just wanted to clarify that. However, I do not want a rehash, of yesterday.

And telling someone that I admire their Stamina, doesn’t mean that I’m their biggest fan, in what they’re saying. I do disagree with Fesz, sometimes.

That being said, please leave me out of your conversations, that don’t involve me, thank you.

That’s a gross over exaggeration all the squelch does it prevent you from talking public channels and messaging random people. You can still talk with and group with friends and guildies, you can still do everything in the open world including leveling and farming.

If you’re trying to PuG, makes things difficult.

No you don’t, you can do quite a lot in vanilla without grouping. And the squelch doesn’t even keep you from grouping.

Doesn’t keep you from Grouping, but it does make it difficult to PuG.

Every class is capable of leveling and farming solo.

And of course the squelch does not prevent you from grouping with friends and guildies.

When there are no friends nor Guildies to help you out, you gotta PuG. Again, there are restrictions into doing that.

A) it is not remotely “gamebreaking”, and the word toxic has ceased to mean anything
B) I cannot help but notice you chose to ignore my earlier proposal, posted a number of times.

“Gamebreaking”, no. Your proposal is still “Player Enforced”. No, thank you.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

@Mellga-area-52

I’m defending my reputation, as well. Telling somebody that “they’re lying” doesn’t mean that I’m calling them “a liar”. I just wanted to clarify that. However, I do not want a rehash, of yesterday.

@Mellga-area-52

That being said, please leave me out of your conversations, that don’t involve me, thank you.

@Mellga-area-52

Your proposal is still “Player Enforced”. No, thank you.

@Gnocci-emerald-dream

Best thing you can do is to stop addressing me directly, or as an aside to Fesz as you are fond of doing. Continue to do it and you better get used to that gif in response.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

And, I’ll only address you, if you present false information (no, I’m not calling you a “liar”). I’m only ever mainly in this thread, anyway because it’s important, to me. I’m not following you around, in other threads. I’m just here, to discuss the topic at hand, just like you are.

Go ahead and spam it, then.

That’s fine. Spam to your heart’s content. It’s not like it’s against the rules or anything

[Shaow-bronzebeard]

Omg this thread haha I bet the CM is getting a kick out of this

[Shaow-bronzebeard]

Have everybody abuse the report system until it gets to the point where it forcedly has to be removed and go back to the old way of reporting so blizz won’t loose a large sum of sub’s because of this.

Checkmate.

[Hypexclassic-moon-guard (Hypexclassic)]

Giving players the power to mute other players? I’m stunned by the stupidity of the person comming up with this.

Isn’t there an “Ignore” option?

[Åpocalypse-illidan (Åpocalypse)]

Since there seems to be significant confusion over this and half these morons shilling for player squelch (presumably to exploit it) clearly don’t even know how the damn system they support even works:

You cannot send messages to anyone in game, including people on your friends list. You also cannot send them tells from outside the game via the bnet launcher. You also cannot speak in lfr or bgs. You also can’t speak in zone chat, trade chat, /say, or /yell. Also no using the mail system to send anything, and I’m pretty sure it also disables emotes, but can’t remember specifically.

The only ways you can talk to people is by inviting them to a group and talking in party chat, or using guild chat. I can’t specifically remember if raid chat worked, because the squelch I received was right near BfA launch and I can’t recall doing any last minute legion raids. But if the person you want to talk to is already in a group, you can’t talk to them in any way, unless they invite you first, even if they’re mutual btag friends.

That system in Classic is effectively a temp ban from everything but solo farming or running groups exclusively in guild.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Giving players the power to mute other players? I’m stunned by the stupidity of the person comming up with this.

Isn’t there an “Ignore” option?

Welcome to the thread! I’ll share a few Quotes for ya:

Auto ignore does not punish the offender.

Just ignoring those people does nothing to prevent them from repeating their actions. On the other hand getting squelched might indeed stop them from saying whatever junk they were going to say in the first place going forward.

Filter isnt an excuse to swear.

See, ignore doesnt work. That doesnt get the message across.

Being silenced usually is far more effective in telling someone they need to mend their ways.

Right click report both ignores(and instantly removes all their text from my screen) but also potentially punishes the offender.

And many more like this! I just scrolled through 600+ Responses, already looking for these repeated Statements. Seems that the “Ignore” Feature isn’t good enough, either, I’m afraid

EDIT:

Since there seems to be significant confusion over this and half these morons shilling for player squelch (presumably to exploit it) clearly don’t even know how the damn system they support even works:

You cannot send messages to anyone in game, including people on your friends list. You also cannot send them tells from outside the game via the bnet launcher. You also cannot speak in lfr or bgs. You also can’t speak in zone chat, trade chat, /say, or /yell. Also no using the mail system to send anything, and I’m pretty sure it also disables emotes, but can’t remember specifically.

The only ways you can talk to people is by inviting them to a group and talking in party chat, or using guild chat. I can’t specifically remember if raid chat worked, because the squelch I received was right near BfA launch and I can’t recall doing any last minute legion raids. But if the person you want to talk to is already in a group, you can’t talk to them in any way, unless they invite you first, even if they’re mutual btag friends.

That system in Classic is effectively a temp ban from everything but solo farming or running groups exclusively in guild.

Uh, no?

Source of what Silenced Players can and cannot do: https://www.wowhead.com/news=254115/new-silence-penalty-coming-to-world-of-warcraft

Silenced Players can still talk in Party and Raid Chats. They just can’t start/invite to the Party.

Silenced Players can whisper (both intiate and respond) their WoW friends. They just cannot initiate whispers to strangers which is easily bypassed by adding strangers to your WoW “Friend’s List”. They don’t need to know, nor do you need their permission, to add them to your “Friend’s List”. When I say “Friend’s List”, I’m referring to the WoW “Friend’s List”. It has no involvement with BNet, whatsoever.

If you don’t want to add strangers to your “Friend’s List”, if they whisper you, first, you can respond to it, even as a Silenced Player.

Silenced Players can still talk in Guild Chat.

Last but not least, Silenced Players cannot participate in the public chat channels, such as Trade, General, Local, etc.

There’s more, but those are my biggest concerns, when Silenced Players are trying to group/raid.

EDIT 2: Silenced Players most definitely can utilize their BNet Chats.

EDIT 3: Another Source Link, that says the same thing. Just in case, we don’t like “WoWHead”.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/20177161

[Åpocalypse-illidan (Åpocalypse)]

EDIT 2: Silenced Players most definitely can utilize their BNet Chats.

That article was from 2016… I was squelched right as BfA was coming out… Your article is wrong, and likely out of date. It was a fairly sizable pain in the “backside” to have to invite my btag friend anytime he sent me a tell, just to reply… Or wait for him to not be grouped to be able to do so.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

That article was from 2016… I was squelched right as BfA was coming out… Your article is wrong, and likely out of date. It was a fairly sizable pain in the “backside” to have to invite my btag friend anytime he sent me a tell, just to reply… Or wait for him to not be grouped to be able to do so.

I did link another link. Not sure what date it was made: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/20177161

There’s, also, another link I found, regarding the same topic, however it is dated back in Legion: https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Silence_Penalty.

Perhaps, all 3 of them are wrong and need updating. IDK, I can only go based off of what these sources tell me. I linked 3 different sources

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

And many more like this! I just scrolled through 600+ Responses, already looking for these repeated Statements. Seems that the “Ignore” Feature isn’t good enough, either, I’m afraid

Correct and you also managed to quote sometimes the reason why ignore isn’t good enough. Ignore isn’t an effective deterrent because it’s not an effective penalty.

On the other hand you can see how afraid people are of the squelch which makes it a very effective deterrent not to get mouthy in chat.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Correct and you also managed to quote sometimes the reason why ignore isn’t good enough. Ignore isn’t an effective deterrent because it’s not an effective penalty.

On the other hand you can see how afraid people are of the squelch which makes it a very effective deterrent not to get mouthy in chat.

Yes, IK you like to control the Chat, Ziryus

[Åpocalypse-illidan (Åpocalypse)]

Perhaps, all 3 of them are wrong and need updating. IDK, I can only go based off of what these sources tell me. I linked 3 different sources

It’s a bit curious and downright sketchy that there’s no official page for blizzard explaining the system on their CS portal… Specifically since they seem to have updated or changed the permissions significantly and it’s a pretty significant system to their CS department as a whole, particularly as they keep firing staff.