False reporting and automated ban

[Twiinkedd-terenas (Twiinkedd)]

PvP (poster v poster) battle rages onward!

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

It’s the truest form of PvP.

[Åpocalypse-illidan (Åpocalypse)]

btw nzis are socialists, which tend to be left

1930s German political party may include the word socialist, but it was a fascist party /regime in practice.

And the “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea” (North Korea) today, is neither a democracy nor a republic.

Titles, particularly self assigned ones, are often meaningless. Likewise for self descriptions (else I’d just start calling myself “wielder of the infinity gauntlet and all infinity stones” and then Thanos snap this entire thread and anyone in favor of right click reporting causing auto squelch from existence for wasting air that could used on better people.)

[Starz-boulderfist]

Dude take this to the politics reddit

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Well, people can “collude” to get people put on a blacklist falsely.

IDENTICAL.

So, please, with facts, explain how one can be abused and the other can not.

Thanks.

As someone against the Auto-Silence, I never advocated for a Public “Name and Shame” System. I just wanted to make that clear, to those who keep categorizing “all” Anti Auto-Silence, under the same umbrella.

if i am on a black list i can still form my own groups with people who actually trust me. i can still talk to people and do whatever i want. will it be harder? sure.

but if someone gets enough people to report me for whatever reason, i can’t talk to people to join groups, i can’t talk to people to talk to people, i can’t do anything.

Source of what Silenced Players can and cannot do: https://www.wowhead.com/news=254115/new-silence-penalty-coming-to-world-of-warcraft

Silenced Players can still talk in Party and Raid Chats. They just can’t start/invite to the Party.

Silenced Players can whisper (both intiate and respond) their WoW friends. They just cannot initiate whispers to strangers which is easily bypassed by adding strangers to your WoW “Friend’s List”. They don’t need to know, nor do you need their permission, to add them to your “Friend’s List”. When I say “Friend’s List”, I’m referring to the WoW “Friend’s List”. It has no involvement with BNet, whatsoever.

If you don’t want to add strangers to your “Friend’s List”, if they whisper you, first, you can respond to it, even as a Silenced Player.

Silenced Players can still talk in Guild Chat.

Last but not least, Silenced Players cannot participate in the public chat channels, such as Trade, General, Local, etc.

There’s more, but those are my biggest concerns, when Silenced Players are trying to group/raid.

where is your source on whispers, because last i saw those were effected by squelch.

Got you covered.

So we’re back to the whole blizzard can’t enforce things which in turn means that you just want to go back to chat being a place that can be freely trolled.

You mean “Player Enforce”. “Trolling” is in the eye of the beholder. We’ve seen many definitions of it, here in this Thread.

Invite a friend and have them broadcast for you. It’s really simple.

If you’ve been unfairly put on the server blacklist and nobody trusts you, how are you going to form a raid, even if the people that put you on the blacklist lied, and you have no evidence to refute the claim?

Find the ones that don’t listen to gossip. Not “everyone” utilizes the public “name and shame” system.

Then patience is a virtue.

If you’re on the blacklist, you won’t be able to raid either.

Identical.

No, it’s not.

And I want server blacklists to be Blizzard actionable on those who make & use them.

So, if the auto-squelch goes, people can be banned for using a blacklist?

Deal?

No deal. They’re not the same thing. One impairs certain abilities to do within the game, the other does not.

Nah you’ve already sufficiently derailed the thread.

I only gave you a heart because what you said is true. I don’t want to be entertaining that off-topic discourse.

The auto-squelch is core to their CS operations.

Doesn’t mean we cannot advocate for change.

Which you just said they are incapable of doing in a timely manner.

Then patience is a virtue.

Can be and will be are two different things.

We do see it being abused, in Retail.

Because you want to troll public chat channels?

No, to avoid the Players deciding what’s acceptable behavior, and what isn’t.

How did this turn into a political discussion?

IDK, but it’s angering me more than the Posters I’ve been debating with.

Doing a really poor job convincing us not to squelch you, Mat. Typical idiot.

Please refrain from threats and harassment, thank you.

National Socialist German Workers’ Party

it was far right in germany, but socialism is a left wing thought in america.

Just some friendly advice, please refrain from entertaining that conversation. It deters away from the original Topic. By continuously engaging in it, you’re helping to derail this thread. Please and thank you.

Hey. Hey. The natives are restless today. ? Anyone?

I’m still here. Just takes me awhile with these Posts.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

actually it was derailed by someone else. i just responded to a false claim.

You literally took the bait of an fresh alt account over and over and over.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

2 fresh alt trolls that people were gobbling the bait chummed into the thread.

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

2 fresh alt trolls that people were gobbling the bait chummed into the thread.

Even though, I didn’t appreciate what you did, and you know what you did, I’m still tactful enough, to agree with you.

But please, don’t be spiteful like that, again. It was very hurtful because I never did that to you. Please, don’t do it, to me. Thank you.

[anon26445175]

Of course if one were to spout off in general chat that “gammon did nothing wrong” and was reported for such, then the GMs should deal harshly with those reporting.

That’s the exact scenario I am explaining.

Blizzard claims people who intentionally false report will in fact be punished, does that make you feel better?

Blizzard claimed that Kul Tiran Humans and Zandalari Trolls came with the BfA expansion too. Yet, we’re still not playing them. I personally wouldn’t be satisfied until it is applied in a fashion that allows us to see for our own eyes that they do recognize it as an issue, at least once.

[Switzy-stormreaver (Switzy)]

Source of what Silenced Players can and cannot do: https://www.wowhead.com/news=254115/new-silence-penalty-coming-to-world-of-warcraft

Silenced Players can still talk in Party and Raid Chats. They just can’t start/invite to the Party.

Silenced Players Are Unable to:

• Talk in Instance Chat (Raid, Party, and Battlegrounds)

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

That’s the Instance Chat. A Chat System for the LFG/LFR Content. Which won’t be Classic.

What is in Classic is a Manual Party System that does not have “Instance Chat”. It’s just normal Party/Raid Chats. Read what the Silenced Players can do:

• Party/Raid Chat (with Invited Players)

EDIT: They have to be invited, and if Classic is invited Players, they can talk to them, in those Chats.

EDIT 2:

Silenced Players Are Able to:

• Party/Raid Chat (with Invited Players)

[Switzy-stormreaver (Switzy)]

Ah, so instance chat is the auto-populated instance groups. You learn something new every day.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Ah, so instance chat is the auto-populated instance groups. You learn something new every day.

Yes. No fear there, with “Instance Chat” because it’ll be non-existent

[Fallanaa-area-52 (Fallanaa)]

Yes. No fear there, with “Instance Chat” because it’ll be non-existent

The only exception being BG chat, as far as I can see.

[Boom-deathwing]

Trump 2020

[Knocrogue-crushridge (Knocrogue)]

The only exception being BG chat, as far as I can see.

Hmm. That is an interesting thought. I wonder if they will use instance chat or if Blizzard will make us use raid chat. But, then that brings up the question of if they should use raid or instance chat. As mentioned, the squelch wouldn’t stop annoying spammers in BGs if they used raid. And, unlike in an actual group, you can’t just kick the dude. We all know people can get super annoying in BGs, too. And vile. So, that makes me think there is a pretty good chance (if Blizzard plans on keeping the squelch in), that it will be instance.
But, yah. Just spouting my thoughts out there.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

The only exception being BG chat, as far as I can see.

Perhaps.

I, also, take issue with the discrepancy, that still has yet to be clarified. I’ll show you:

Silenced Players Are Unable to:

• Send Party Invitations

Silenced Players Are Able to:

• Create Parties and Raids

So, how can a Silenced Player create Parties/Raids, if they cannot invite to them? Isn’t it how they are formed, by inviting?

[Fesz-cenarius]

and yet still has potential for abuse.

So do server Blacklists, and yet the same people that are against squelch are for blacklist.

Does not compute.

one is maintained purely out of game and doesn’t prevent someone from doing stuff.
the other is maintained in game and does prevent people from doing stuff.

Yes which is why the auto squelch is an actual effective deterrent.

except it CAN BE ABUSED.

i could see you trying to form a raid and realize that would cherry pick people who would join my raid, so i get everyone in my raid to right click report you. boom. now you can’t make your raid group anymore.

And then blizzard steps in.

Blizzard would not “step in” any quicker for an auto squelch than they would if that same target report number simply generated that ticket for manual review. You seem to feel that it would be an interminable amount of time without the player imposed punishment. Are you willing to wait that same amount of time to have your squelch overturned?

Even if Blizzard eventually overturns the squelch, you would still have lost all that time trying to find a group.

Or, do you expect us to believe that your squelch will somehow be reviewed and overturned immediately?

As for Blizzard “punishing” those who reported you, how do they prove that those reports were actually falsely submitted and not simply submitted in good faith based upon a subjective belief that you had committed an actual violation?

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

@Mellga-area-52

Even though, I didn’t appreciate what you did, and you know what you did, I’m still tactful enough, to agree with you.

But please, don’t be spiteful like that, again. It was very hurtful because I never did that to you. Please, don’t do it, to me. Thank you.

Good GOD, how I miss the ignore feature.