Well, said person may believe that, but that doesn’t mean Blizzard does. Not sure what their rules are about spamming, but I hope it’s not that. Is there a post or something that states what their spamming rules are?
The point is that even if Blizzard believes that posting a similar message in chat once every three or four minutes is not “spam” and overturns the squelch, that does not necessarily equate to any or all of those reports being a “false report made with the intent to silence another player”.
How does Blizzard prove that Johnny’s cronies were in actuality submitting false reports with the intent to silence (squelch) another player (Billy) and that they weren’t simply submitting those reports in good faith with an honest personal belief that anything more frequent than once every 5 minutes is “spam”?
Here’s another example:
Bobby hates it when people use /trade for anything other than chat relating to buying or selling goods or services, even though Blizzard permits it.
He and his cronies submit “spam” reports to squelch everyone that posts anything in /trade that is not directly related to buying or selling goods or services. Upon review each of those squelches, Blizzard overturns the squelches because no rule was broken.
How does Blizzard prove that Bobby and his cronies were not abusing the system by submitting false reports with the intent to silence anyone that had the audacity to use /trade for anything that is not directly to the buying or selling of goods or services? How does Blizzard prove that Bobby and his cronies were not acting in good faith based upon their personal beliefs that /trade should be used only for the buying and selling of goods or services?
The subjectivity of the report system does not lend itself to easily determining if reports were submitted in good faith or if those reports were actually submitted with the intent to silence another player for whatever reason the players submitting those reports wanted that player silenced.
We also cannot forget that even if Blizzard overturns a squelch, that player does not get the “lost time” back. They were still unjustly punished with an unwarranted squelch.
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They don’t really need to prove it, I don’t think. Best idea would be to issue those players who reported a warning and clearly explain what the rules are and that said player wasn’t breaking them. And also state clearly that abuse of the system will be punished. If the player reports someone again for something similar, they would then get actioned.
As for the lost time, yah. It’s going to suck. There’s really no solution to that. But, as I mentioned earlier we’re most likely going to be stuck with the system. So, I hope they do have the rules very clear cut somewhere. So, that there is no gray area.
I do not believe that “they do have the rules very clear cut somewhere”. The “rules” are nothing more than a massive “grey area”. Even the CoC only talks in vague terms that are subjectively interpreted.
As an example, you may believe that “foul language” is a clear definition of something that is against the rules, but Billy’s definition of “foul language” may not be the same as Johnny’s definition of “foul language”.
Blizzard has 14 years history of being vague and leaving themselves the maximum amount of “wiggle room”.
Setting clearly defined “rules” only ties Blizzard’s hands and more often than not, leads to people trying to be “rules lawyers” on both sides of abuse.
Let’s say they define “spam” as “posting the same message more than once every three minutes”. You could easily end up with Billy posting similar, but not the “same”, message once every two minutes, claiming that since he did not post the “same” message twice in less than three minutes he was not “spamming”. You could also end up with Johnny reporting Bobby for “spam” because he posted the “same” message twice in 2 minutes and 58 seconds.
Do you honestly expect Blizzard to take action (even as minor as a warning) against an account holder that may very well have been acting in good faith when they submitted that report?
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Pretty sure if you get silenced you’ll be notified with the exact message that got you silenced.
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We’ve already seen at least one person that believes that anything more frequent than once every 5 minutes is “spam”.
I never said that. Kindly dont put words in my mouth please.
I said once every 5 minutes is sufficient.
it is.
Allow me to quote you:
It is true you said “once every 5 minutes is sufficient”. It is also true that you never used the specific words "more frequent than once every 5 minutes is ‘spam’ ", but when looking at the totality of your post, that belief is evident. That, of course, is simply my opinion.
Once again, I will let others draw their own conclusion from the facts and quotes which I presented.
It is true you said “once every 5 minutes is sufficient”.
Correct.
It is also true that you never used the specific words "more frequent than once every 5 minutes is ‘spam’ ", but when looking at the totality of your post, that belief is evident. That, of course, is simply my opinion.
I also didnt use the Queens Birthday address. Maybe I should have.
Unfortunately it’s woefully inadequate to from groups in Classic WoW.
The chat channel options in Classic are similar in options to what you experienced in Wrath, but the game is so different because the game is literally built in that kind of communication.
The “finder” components you have in Wrath + just don’t exist in Classic and because of that you’re dependent on the ability to communicate at all times with your server community.
If you give the keys to silence players over to the super sensitive and to the mafia then the atmosphere of Classic WoW will be a very dark and morros place.
I know you don’t have experience in classic, but the atmosphere of that game is entirely different from wrath in just about every way.
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I know you don’t have experience in classic, but the atmosphere of that game is entirely different from wrath in just about every way.
Then my answer would be to relax the rules for Classic chat to ( suggested only ) 3 minutes.
Fair?
At the end of the day what matters is that you got enough reports that the community felt you were spamming. Now you are welcome to appeal that decision and blizzard may or may not decide in your favor.
That still doesn’t work; the trade chat and all the interworking of Classic in game chat; especially in the major cities is like the New York stock exchange before it was taken over by computers.
It’s a truly crazy and unique place where the bustle is a big and important element of that atmosphere.
This is just a sample of why we can’t just use the modern chat rules and infrastructure.
It largely needs to be unregulated with click to report where the player reports actual offense of the rules.
If the threshold of reports is met just like in the modern game then action can be taken, but instead of this action being made by a bot, it’s made by a real human GM.
That GM does not need to be a WoW specific GM, but just some one familiar with some guidelines established by HQ.
This is just a sample of why we can’t just use the modern chat rules and infrastructure. It largely needs to be unregulated with click to report where the player reports actual offense of the rules.
I see where you are coming from on this and I get you
Want my advice?
Make sure the devs understand what you want and why. I am not sure on “unregulated”…there have to be some ground rules.
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Yes, but it doesn’t add context. It just shows the post. Only the reporters can express why they reported it.
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Which is no more than you ever got.
It’s hard to be optimistic about such things. Especially when they’re cutting back GMs and trying to automate processes. Look at it like this: they don’t want to deal with as many reports. So in investigating false reports, they’re spending extra time on reach report by a factor of how many people reported someone. The amount of work and effort it would take to track down abusers would be…insane. Not at all feasible to punish. Whether or not the system will be abused isn’t a question. It WILL be. Whether or not the abusers will be punished isn’t a question either: they WON’T be. Maybe the most blatant of them. But the report system is one giant grey area. And in the meantime the innocent people getting reported by trolls will be suffering the consequences.
Maybe the devs are smart enough to realize the damage auto-squelch will do (and loot trading also, but that’s another topic), and they just take it out. It will actually reduce the workload of the GMs, ironically. And it takes away a powerful tool for trolls to abuse.
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How does investigating only the cases that actually end up in an auto squelch and the person squelched think they can appeal it ever add up to investigating every individual report that lead to that squelch?
Or is that you just don’t want them to actually investigate anything so we can go back to minimal enforcement?
As opposed to all the innocent people who had to deal with people violating toc in chat and not being dealt with prior to right click reporting?
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That’s not true. Again, it just shows the post. What I’m trying to say is give them a verbal warning, yourself, the way Aehl does, informing them to stop. Even though a one time offense isn’t really an issue. Plus, what I got reported for, I didn’t repeat. I just got reported for the sake of being silenced. Not because of what I said. Don’t hide behind a report button.
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Absolutely agreed; profanity, racism, sexism and things that just don’t belong in civilized society would naturally be grounds for getting nuked from orbit.
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See what happens when you talk to me and not AT me? Food for thought, yes? ![:grinning:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/grinning.png?v=6" ":grinning:")
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