And, with respect, the entirety of your claimed experience is vague and questionable at best, conveniently hidden behind alleged NDAs that for some reason lasted well past (decades even) game releases or even beta stages.
The NDAs themselves are “legally” expired, yes. However, I have been asked by those concerned, as good will, to maintain the conditions. Wanting to keep them as contacts and wanting to be included in future projects, i agreed.
Some arent “decades” old, a few are. But those involved are people I consider friends, and acquiesced.
Yes, really. Those were testing grounds for filters, also in the context of an “auto silence” system when the filter was tripped. Another was hard coded for a three day ban based on a “three strikes” system.
The early coding was…fun…played with MySQL amongst others…a lot of what we see today evolved from basic level test beds.
Mighty busy schedule doing all that software development and testing for someone who was claiming to be a nurse in another thread… but I’ll let that part slide…
You still have 3 questions to respond to… Still waiting.
How do you know that is not how blizz handles a situation like this? Has this situation come up in any of blizz’s games currently? This is not an end all. Especially when we know next to nothing how blizz even handles this on their end.
Please by all means walk us through blizz’s process they use behind the scenes.
I’ll tell you how I would handle it. Usage statistics and making the community aware.
However, is that what blizz will do? Does the community change this rule because the community flags indicate the community doesn’t approve of this behavior? The CoC says player reports help determine what is acceptable…
Sounds like something you need blizz to answer though because they are the ones who make the final call.
So no. It’s not that anyone had avoided your question. It’s a question for blizz because none of us know what happens on their end.
Laying off GM’s yesterday probably put this one to bed with not a lot of chance to change it. We will be lucky if it’s not even more automated and starts handing out punishments based on usage statistics. Then you guys won’t have to worry about a squelch. They can skip that step and go straight to the punishment. So this fight might take a sudden shift…again.
And yet again (and again and again and again)… Booms was reported quite frequently, and his actions where deemed permissible to the point where Blizzard themselves immortalized him in game with an NPC. I don’t think how Blizzard handles this is even remotely in dispute… He would get squelched until a GM intervened and cleared… over and over and over again… if you make him immune to squelches, you now create an exploitable system where all a person has to do to avoid squelch/GM interference is grief people in game enough times to get GMs to just say the hell with it and turn off all enforcement on a player who has already shown a predisposition towards griefing. How is this remotely a better system than just kicking all Classic reports straight to GMs, and utilizing a system closer to the OG vanilla system?? A single Multi boxxer alone can simply slightly stagger reports and instantly squelch any player in the game… and potentially not even be detected unless they’re stupid enough to send every report at the same exact second and/or name every single character on the same naming scheme.
I’d add that none of the people reporting him would ever be squelched or banned, as there would simply be no real way to tell whether they reported him because he annoyed them, or reported him because they legitimately weren’t sure if his actions where illegal or not. At least unless they where stupid enough to conspire in game to do so, and the GM actually took the time to investigate each complaint (which is an incredibly unlikely proposition)
Let’s work on the whole honesty thing since you seem to be having quite a bit of trouble…It’s not that you don’t have to, it’s that YOU DON’T WANT TO… Specifically that you don’t want to admit that the system you are advocating for can punish innocent players via automated squelch, and more specifically to my question, that you are in fact, in favor of punishing innocent players by your support of said system.
I’m merely giving you an opportunity to address criticisms of a system you claim to be in favor of… Why are you so incapable of answering simple questions about said system?
More than enough people have let him skirt answering simple enough questions already. I’m frankly tired of his constant trolling and blatant deflections when asked direct questions… If he wants any credibility whatsoever in defending this abhorrent system, then let him actually try. There’s a reason he keeps deflecting, cowering, and outright denying reality. Sorry, not sorry that I simply won’t put up with his form of trolling and no amount of vague deflections or EXTREMELY questionable at best anecdotes about massive game development experience for decades that are all conveniently locked behind unofficial NDAs from his vast network of video game industry contacts that he made while… also being a nurse is going to dissuade me.
There’s no reason they can’t allocate the limited GMs they have left to specifically focus (or at least prioritize) on Classic, particularly if their goal is, as claimed “to provide an authentic vanilla experience”. Especially considering the game will still be pulling a subscription fee and feature nearly non existent development costs, and extremely low maintenance costs post release.
He actually did answer my question, and I haven’t gone and chewed off Aehl’s arm. The same with Padre and Stud because they’re actually reasonable people. Took me awhile with Aehl, but we got there. Perhaps in the distant future I might see a different light with the others, but BOTH sides, including our side, need to be patient, in trying to understand each other. It’s difficult, but patience is a virtue
I have made the mistake of stooping down to the same levels, but I can show humility and apologize for any transgressions. I think Aehl is only being defensive, and rightfully so, because we’re (and I’m guilty of it, too) quick to assume all of these things that he could possibly be, so of course he’s going to be defensive. I would be, too. After a little awhile, and I had a feeling, we actually had a nice conversation, in the game. Bygones be bygones.
And I’m not painting myself to be a Saint, God’s no! I’m just saying, we’re ALL guilty of contributing negative energy. I was open minded enough to hear Aehl out, despite the 2,000 Posts of back and forth. He even admitted that he wouldn’t have reported my story, that I had shared, but he can understand why I was, even though I already know why, myself.
However, if you’re patient enough, you may even have an in-game discussion with him, too, who knows? I tend to make a lot of friends through disagreements, IDK what it is
You can actually message people cross-server now! I’ve done it a few times in the past. Just type in “/w name-server” and it should work. Well, cross-faction doesn’t work. So, Mellga would need to be on an Alliance toon. But, yah.
Again. You don’t know if that is exactly how blizz will handle this. This part of your statement though sounds like you think it was griefing? This also makes it sound like you think it’s some kind of way to negate griefing penalties? Thought what he did was considered not griefing by blizz? How does this open up other griefing practices to be allowed? You’re running with this.
Again. We don’t know the extent blizz is willing to take the statement in the CoC about player reports helping to determine what is acceptable. If 90% of the opposing faction are flagging him and let’s say a majority of his faction flag him too. Isn’t that the community saying this behavior is unacceptable regardless of what blizz did in the past?
Ok and you’re tripping again and showing how little we know about this. You think blizz can’t tell when reports come from the same IP? Regardless of toon name or account name?
You guys are just running with this. On very little info I might add.
If they stagger the reports. That in itself makes it not instant. I know instant sounds scarier so you guys are going to continue to use that. Lol
You can wager. Doesn’t mean you’re going to win that wager because we will probably never know if they are punished or not.
No way that you know of to determine abuse. We don’t know what blizz does to make this determination. Obviously they mentioned abuse and punishment for abuse. So they knew the potential is there. Do you think they did so without a plan? Do you really think they planned this. Realized it can be abused. Took the time to point out how it can be abused but don’t have an inkling of an idea how to proceed when the issue arises? All jokes aside. This would be the absolute dumbest management attempt in the history of management if this is how they did this.
There is another theory though. That the only games they really care about this being abused in are their esport franchises. Which could mean it wasn’t thought thru and it’s just a PR statement in the CoC to “promote fair play”. I could see that. We will find out if that is just a PR statement when we get these questions answered though. If blizz avoids this issue or glosses over it. We will know which one it is.
You now have me even more curious to how they handle this. Either way I’m about done with this topic. There is way too much missing info and the attempts at blowing this completely out of proportion have gone from funny to sad. So all you guys are doing is spinning your wheels. I’ll let this turn into the echo chamber you guys want it to be. I’ll be back when the alt brigading starts back up. We can’t have that influencing discussion round here. The community has spoken.
We did. We pointed out the alt brigading, subversion, manipulation, fear mongering, and flat out misinformation that was being used to exaggerate this issue into the sky is falling.
No one said it can’t be abused. Anyone who reads the CoC and can’t discern that blizz is telling you it’s abusable…idk what to even say to that. Apparently it true though. Some needed a streamer video to show what those with reading comprehension and critical thinking skills knew by reading the CoC.
Furthermore I find this “omg the community will be abuse this exploit” absolutely hilarious when some of the same people over in the gbank thread say to “trust community” concerning that exploit. Absolutely laughable.
For a game they didn’t want to do. Have said they don’t care how many play. Are trying to setup as hands off as possible. Only way that’s happening is if classic explodes in population and doesn’t decline. Sure though. They could allocate more resources to a game that is basically already being portrayed as the proverbial “red headed step child” over franchises that have esports. Well. It is a fantasy game after all… like I said good luck with all this. I’ll follow and interject when I see fit but this is pointless and missing way too much info.
LOL you have some truth here. But you know, this thread helped me understand Aehl better, so I have to give credit to it. And made me understand you and Stud. Likewise, I think y’all understand me. So, it definitely served its purpose <3
It has. Some of these topics have brought a lot of this community together in various ways. So yes I agree some good came of this. Maybe more when blizz weighs in. If blizz weighs in on it. Also how this was presented made it crystal clear there are folks here with an agenda and they are trying to influence discussions with obvious subversive tactics, misinformation, and ofc fearmongering. Just glad more of the community recognized it.
Honestly that alone may be a game changer for discussions to come. We will see.
There really isnt anything to understand. People always look for that…it aint there.
Im what my mum calls a WYSIWYG person…what you see is what you get. Everyone has their complexities, I grant you, but Im plain spoken as you have seen.
Drop by anytime…unless Im in raid and up to my ears in cooldowns
( We went 7/9 on my heals tonight and looks like we will down the last two on Friday )
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