False reporting and automated ban

[Fesz-cenarius]

Chuck Norris jokes–some find Chuck Norris jokes distasteful, some don’t

Ive never had an issue with those…provided they dont include bad language.

Have at it I dont mind.

Do you think that because you don’t mind, nobody else will find them distasteful and report them?

Once again subjectivity and “feelings” about what may or may not be a violation raise their heads.

They do, but then again they do when GM’s review them as well.

Which is why I believe that players should report what they consider to be a violation, but the power to report is as far as it should go.

IMO, ANY punishment (including a squelch) should be left in the subjectivity of Blizzard’s hands and NOT the subjective hands of the players.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Dude you’re asking us to know the thinking and be responsible for what most of Azeroth does or does not do? Nothing unreasonable about that…

No.

Ive said it before, I believe that players should report what they consider to be a violation, but the power to report is as far as it should go.

IMO, ANY punishment (including a squelch) should be left in the subjectivity of Blizzard’s hands and NOT the subjective hands of the players.

[anon44207803]

IMO, ANY punishment (including a squelch) should be left in the subjectivity of Blizzard’s hands and NOT the subjective hands of the players.

Which really comes back to:

If you dont get your way and the squelch stays…what will you do? As in you personally.

[Fesz-cenarius]

If you and your friends mass report Billy (causing him to be squelched) for something that, in your opinion, is a violation and Blizzard later overturns that squelch, there obviously was no violation, was there?

Well, no ,. as its not something I have ever done or ever will do…so really, its kinda a moot question, isnt it?

Only time I report is for when I KNOW its a violation.

By your own definition, though, you KNOW that posting a similar (or even the same) message in chat once every 4 minutes is a violation.

If you and your friends mass report Billy (causing him to be squelched) for “spamming” because he was posting a similar (or even the exact same) message in chat once every 4 minutes and Blizzard overturns that squelch, then there obviously was no violation, even though you KNEW there was.

[Fesz-cenarius]

There absolutely IS a “grey area” when it comes to things that are subjective and depend upon an idividual’s “feelings” about what may or may not be a violation.

So what, the same applies when GM’s review reports.

The difference is that Blizzard is the “authorities”, while the players are merely everyday “citizens”.

[Fesz-cenarius]

IMO, ANY punishment (including a squelch) should be left in the subjectivity of Blizzard’s hands and NOT the subjective hands of the players.

Which really comes back to:

If you dont get your way and the squelch stays…what will you do? As in you personally.

If you don’t get your way and the auto squelch is removed in Classic, what will you do?

[Impreza-gorgonnash (Impreza)]

The goal post has been purposely allowed to move right back off-field to continue not discussing the glaring flaws that this system encapsulates that two of these three people have been unwilling to discuss or acknowledge. The third simply wants you to believe that he’s above abusing it. "Just trust him "

Since apparently bad human behavior seems to be an imaginary thing, and given the keys to run fraudulent reports on others is just fear mongering, using their repeated line of logic would be balanced out by the WoW player base is so inherently good and controlled that there’s no need for any kind of reporting tool to begin with.

[anon46942112]

Countering a question with a question, answer the question, I’ve already decided i wont play because the community is not as ‘‘superior’’ as i was led to believe.

[anon44207803]

If you don’t get your way and the auto squelch is removed in Classic, what will you do?

Nothing. Ill be too busy elsewhere.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Which really comes back to:

If you dont get your way and the squelch stays…what will you do? As in you personally.

IK this was directed at Fesz, but I wanted to repeat my answer. I’ll continue to play, but that doesn’t mean I can’t continue to put the idea out there. Just like the people that eventually got rid of all those PvP Servers. Just like those of us that asked for Classic Servers, for 10 Years and was scolded for it. Kind of like how you’re doing it, right now. It’s an idea, a thought, a message, etc. It may take awhile, but that doesn’t mean we should stop trying

Again, just like all the ones that advocated for change on the way the PvP Server System works. And the ones that asked for Classic WoW. Which you, yourself, admitted, you were initially against. Now, it’s coming. So, what’s your response to this? 'Cause you never replied to it.

Again, which means you’re spamming this thread with the same jargon in order to intimidate us into silence because you don’t want to see change. And if I’m wrong, stop repeating yourself and come up with something new because at this point, you’re just spamming with the same jargon.

[anon46942112]

You are fear mongering, and you continue to fear monger . if you truly believed this was a bad choice you would voice your concern and then choose to not play, like an adult would. Instead you’ve come into an argument that has been playing out for Months if not a few years completely thrown out every single possible argument that has already been said, and continue to spout nonsense about abuse.

[anon46942112]

Yes it does, you’re a hypocrite.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

You are fear mongering, and you continue to fear monger . if you truly believed this was a bad choice you would voice your concern and then choose to not play, like an adult would. Instead you’ve come into an argument that has been playing out for Months if not a few years completely thrown out every single possible argument that has already been said, and continue to spout nonsense about abuse.

Yes it does, you’re a hypocrite.

You’re not being specific. Just throwing out blanket statements. You have no argument. Next.

[anon46942112]

Just putting your fingers in your ears and going lalalala does not constitute an argument either. which is what you just did, you say this is a terrible choice then stick to your guns and don’t payor play. this isn’t the us government the only vote you have is with your wallet either use it or accept that you are a hypocrite, and have voided your concerns, because clearly it wasn’t that big of a concern if you’re willing to continue to pay the people whom you don’t agree with.

[anon44207803]

Y’see Melliga…thats the hole in this entire tapestry.

The correct answer would be “I wont play Classic”, which to me would say you actually have the courage of your convictions.

But you dont.

The moment you click i agree, you accepted the terms of a system you stated you disagree with on a fundamental level…and you will then continue to agitate for changes to a system you were presented with, were asked do you agree with this, and you said yes.

Its the same as signing a credit contract, then whining about the charges.

Seriously: either you stand by what you say, or you dont.

[Impreza-gorgonnash (Impreza)]

Weird. You’ve voiced your opinion here in this thread numerous times but yet haven’t moved on, like an adult would so you say. Am I right or am I right?

This argument in public spectacle at best has been playing out for a couple of months from what I’ve retroactively researched.

Last I checked, I’m still free to post on a discussion forum and if this change, among others make it into live, then I have no problem 1) not playing and 2) not continuing to talk about, but until that time I’ll remain raising valid concern despite your hilariously false claims against poor human behavior, but be a sport and show me how an adult acts, I’ll let you lead the way out of this thread at your leisure.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Countering a question with a question, answer the question, I’ve already decided i wont play because the community is not as ‘‘superior’’ as i was led to believe.

If the auto squelch is retained, I will not be playing at release.

I will likely wait to see if I am correct about the ease with which the system can be abused and the extent to which that abuse will occur before I start to play, if I even choose to play.

I answered the question.

Now it’s your turn.

If the auto squelched is removed for Classic,what will you do if you do not have the option to collude with your friends to squelch any other player at any time for every little slight you felt you had to suffer?

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Just putting your fingers in your ears and going lalalala does not constitute an argument either. which is what you just did, you say this is a terrible choice then stick to your guns and don’t payor play. this isn’t the us government the only vote you have is with your wallet either use it or accept that you are a hypocrite, and have voided your concerns, because clearly it wasn’t that big of a concern if you’re willing to continue to pay the people whom you don’t agree with.

No, it doesn’t. I only left the Game, once, until the Classic Server Announcements. Nonsensical things don’t bother me, however the Game became really bad with it’s Animation, Re-Vamps, Social Interaction, etc., that I decided to stop playing. When I say I’ll continue to play, I’m talking about Classic, until they really damage it. Just like they did with Modern WoW.

I have no issues proving why I feel the way I feel. I’m not going to quit my job over a handful of people that annoy me. That’s silly. I got bills to pay, and I need money to pay for Clothes, Food and Shelter. You don’t have to like everything in order to adapt around it.

Just because I can adapt doesn’t mean I can’t voice my opinion, and you don’t scare me. I’m going to continue to voice my opinion, whether you like it or not. Unless you can approach me, civilly with facts and evidence (not insults) to help change my mind, you have no business being in this thread.

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Y’see Melliga…thats the hole in this entire tapestry.

The correct answer would be “I wont play Classic”, which to me would say you actually have the courage of your convictions.

But you dont.

The moment you click i agree, you accepted the terms of a system you stated you disagree with on a fundamental level…and you will then continue to agitate for changes to a system you were presented with, were asked do you agree with this, and you said yes.

Its the same as signing a credit contract, then whining about the charges.

Seriously: either you stand by what you say, or you dont.

There is no “correct answer”. Again, I’m not going to quit life simply because I don’t like it. That’s silly. I’m going to advocate for change, and it’s OK to advocate for change while still playing. I don’t need to stop playing, in order to advocate for change

[anon44207803]

If the auto squelch is retained, I will not be playing at release.

Then I bow to your dedication to your ideals. Agreements or arguments aside, I have the utmost respect for someone who stands by their beliefs.

[anon44207803]

That’s silly. I’m going to advocate for change, and it’s OK to advocate for change while still playing. I don’t need to stop playing, in order to advocate for change

Actually you do, if you believe, as you say you do. If not, then why agree to terms and conditions you DONT agree with?