Let me say that first yes paladins blow both of these classes out of the water and its not even close for aoe threat. That aside, alpt of people I’ve talked to are under the impression that warriors are better aoe tanks than druids?? Where exactly does this come from? The warrior kit hasn’t changed at all, and I hold pretty damn good aoe threat on my druid. Meanwhile in tbc, swipe starts to scale with attack power, on top of still having thorns, and in general druids have vastly more rage generation than a warrior in equal gear.
You trying to put warriors on suicide watch?
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Real Redbars lol at the salty droods
My experience on this board is the precise opposite. Warriors are constantly being badmouthed and no one seems to think they have solid AoE threat - everyone knows that doesn’t come until WotLK, where Thunder Clap loses its target limit.
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I’ve never seen anyone claim that… so yes I would also ask where does this come from? Bears have always been better for aoe threat thanks to swipe. Unless the warrior has a thunderfury… there is no contest. Life does get better in crusade because Blizzard FINALLY gives thunderclap to defensive stance… why it was never done in classic is beyond me. Druids are still nicer though.
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as a resto druid i prefer warrior tanks because they can hold the massive threat i generate with my over healing and the better defense means less heals to full health compared to druids massive hp
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They’re still the best mts for 80% of the game.
Druids have the best single target tps in bc.
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Silliness from a few folks that don’t understand how abilities scale is what is driving this. Swipe is just too good, too cheap, too easy, for the Warrior kit to keep up. The only place Warriors can try to compete is single target threat and even then they fall behind.
Eh… no. They’re serviceable to be sure and you can have a team of just Warrior Tanks from Karazhan to Sunwell and largely succeed, until maybe Muru, so it really isn’t a problem to use them. However, Druids and/or Paladins just flat out beat them on a huge number of fights. Fear mechanics have workarounds and you don’t need Spell Reflect but for a single phase of RoS. So long as you have a Paladin for Kael’thas and Illidan, you’re golden.
warlocks hunters and even lol mages already did that
For the majority of content that matters in TBC AoE threat isn’t an issue. For Raid Bosses it was always more about the Defense cap, Threat gen and Health pools.
I don’t know how things will shake out this time but the main issue with healing Bears back in the og days was they were mana sponges and thus weren’t loved by most healers. Warriors were still the most favored to Main Tank in Raids but all of them could do it.
We’ll see soon enough.
That would actually be Druids starting about 5 minutes after hitting 70 with quest rewards and equipping the Clefthoof set.
Bears were substantially easier to heal in both vanilla, and original TBC. Higher EHP, by enormous margins. They took more healing, but you didn’t need to have a big heal dropping on them every single GCD to account for them getting whomped for 80% of their health.
You could easily downrank heal a bear for better efficiency, and less overhealing. Healing warriors was legitimately awful, one second they’d be topped, the next they were dead.
Yeah, I don’t really see a lot of people claiming warriors have good AOE threat. I usually see:
(1) the weird claim that warriors have the single highest single target TPS
(2) people vastly overestimating pally AOE tanking usefulness
The funny thing is that I’m going to be DPS’ing in bear form while dungeon leveling since cat doesn’t have any cleave/AOE. My plan is to just sit there and swipe my way to 70 along with a warrior tanking with his MoM lol.
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I personally had never issues with my warrior thunderclapping and holding aggro.
I usually also rend on all mobs which is probably not the best and optimal idea
I wouldn’t even say thunderclap is the largest threat factor for warriors in WOTLK. Shockwave does massive AoE threat in a cone, and there is a glyph that makes devestate hit 2 targets.
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Warriors are terrified that they won’t have a place at the tanking table. Min maxing would have a bear+paladin tank duo, and what, one arms warrior?
Going from vanilla, where most of the raid were warriors, and it’s not hard to imagine why you hear so many people trying to puff up warriors.
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A Warrior is your clear cut choice as MT for progression. There are a couple bosses you want a Druid or Pally, but most of the time you want a Warrior to MT. The only places Warriors fall behind is in SwP because bears become broken in dodge and tps at that point, and in T6 speed clears where healers can power through the bosses designed for Warriors to MT and dps don’t need to use their threat reduction abilities with a bear.
Warrior AoE threat is the worst of the 3 tanks because it doesn’t scale with gear and isn’t that good in crap gear to begin with. You need a TF to get what a bear gets for free in AoE threat.
As a warrior with a thunderfury, I think my AE threat is going to be okay.
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Yup.