You realise that gold farmers existed in vanilla and operated even more blatantly that they do now right?
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Yes, but againâŚpay attention: the only gold that can be injected into the system is the gold that comes from farming. Gold farmers extracted that gold and recirculated it into the economy. They did not bring it from an external source.
In this situation, exploiters brought gold into the system from outside the system (from one layer to another). Layering didnât exist during vanilla. Even in retail players canât bring goods from one shard to anotherâŚplayers are explicitly restricted from trading in cross-realm groups.
Why do you think that is? Because the economy is supposed to be self-contained. Gold farmers operate within the economy; all they do is farm resources quickly and sell them to others on the same serverâthey donât create âextraâ resources like what happens when items are duped or layers get exploited to bring resources from one server community to another.
Layer exploiting and resetting instances is item duping, like Diablo item duping, not gold farming. You could be a gold farmer right now and all that would accomplish is you get X+ resources compared to the player next to you who doesnât farm and only gets X. Thatâs not the same thing as generating resources through a mechanic the game never accounts forâlike layer exploiting does.
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Gold farmers (simple gold farming as distinct from gold farmers who are exploiting layers, which is the topic being discussed in this thread) are still only getting gold from within the economy, albeit the redistribution does become disrupted.
The difference that you two seem to be missing is that gold farming can disrupt an economy in that a Sword of the Bear goes for 100g instead of 10g. Thatâs a completely different problem than what happens when the AH has 50 Swords of the Bear because someone was able to skip across economies and bring those items back into their economy.
There is overlap in that those gold farmers in Classic were hopping layers, but itâs a false equivalency to argue that what gold farmers are doing now with layer exploiting is analogous to gold farming in Vanilla through BFA. Thatâs factually incorrect.
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Sincerely Gratitude to Blizzard Classic Developer Team.
Hope the exploiter tracking and ban hammer review process isnât too much work.
Get them all!
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These people already have a new account and theyâre already probably level 30. Theyâll be 60 by the end of the week and be fully geared long before the suspension on their previous account expires.
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if they did it legit, then donât care.
Both disrupt the economy. Both create an uneven distribution of wealth on servers. Both have a negative effect on those who arenât cheating because it creates an inflation of prices. That was my point.
Not once did I make any comparison between gold farming/selling from Vanilla through BfA or even mention retail at all, you made that connection. I said that gold farmers have been selling gold since week 1. The on Classic part of that was implied seeing as how weâre discussing layer exploiting in Classic and the subject of retail was never even brought up. Cheating in the form of buying massive amounts of gold in exchange for RL money was already a problem on Classic servers long before the first player got to 60 and the layer exploiting really took off.
But thanks for taking the time to explain to me how Iâm âfactually incorrectâ due to your own incorrect assumptions, I guessâŚ?
Itâs not an assumption.
Yeah, sure I made that connectionâŚ
I directly addressed two people (even wrote that into my post to avoid this pointless debate you want to engage in, but whatever) in my response and the false equivalency you tried to create was between gold farming and layer exploiting.
I explained the salient differences in how those two player behaviors impact the economy on a macro scale. It doesnât matter whether one is referring to gold farming in vanilla, anything from then to BFA, or Classic, the difference between the disruptions is how layering brings external resources into an internal economy. Gold farming doesnât do that on its own without layering, but I already explained this. I didnât say you were talking about retail. I didnât make any assumptions. You are trying to pick nits with my post because you canât contest the point of me slapping down your false-equivalency.
I drew a distinction between historical gold farming in the game from beginning to BFA and how gold farming impacts the economy nowâŚbecause of layering. I never wrote you were talking about gold farming in anything other than ClassicâŚmerely pointing out that you arenât half as clever as you think you are.
You need to re-read the thread because it consists of more posts than just yours.
Was I replying to every post in this thread, or was I replying directly to the second comment made with something related to his remark that I find to be amusing/ironic about the people who are behaving like layer exploiting is the end of the world and itâs destroyed the game? Think about that for a second. 
You can type out all the pseudo-intellectual paragraphs you want, the point remains that youâre making connections and drawing conclusions that werenât in my comment or the one that I was responding to. It doesnât matter what anyone else in the thread said after that because those comments arenât a part of that side conversation that we had.
Dareus said bans wonât cut down on the amount of people screaming about ruined economies and I responded by saying there are already gold farmers/sellers in game, so their crying is pointless anyway.
That was it. Nothing about retail, nothing about any of the other issues you keep trying to bring up. Just a âpeople are already buying and selling gold anywayâ. Why the bloody hell are you trying so hard to argue and create an issue where there wasnât one in the first place. It doesnât make you look smart, it just makes you look like an obnoxious wannabe know-it-all.
When you donât even permanent ban, you only encourage cheaters to try to cheat again in the future. Grats on being soft.
Go try the exploit and report back to us, big guy.
I think you are being deliberately obtuse, but here we are anywayâŚ
People buying and selling gold inside of an economy doesnât ruin it. It redistributes it and that can be disruptive to players, but it doesnât impact an economy itself at the macro level.
Bringing resources into the economy that were never intended to be in the game, where the game now has no mechanism to remove, do effectively break the economy at the macro level.
I already explained this. Itâs obvious how the two are different regardless of your personal attacks of my academic explanation to you of how economies function at the macro level. Thatâs the word you were searching for, academic or theoretical, there is nothin âpseudoâ about my explanation even if youâre not capable or otherwise unwilling to understand the differences.
I also already explained that the developers are well-aware of this impact on the economy and thatâs why players are not able to bring resources from one server economy into another.
Players have developed ways to get around this by transferring characters with items in their inventory and selling things on the AH to facilitate cross-faction trading, but this is the first time in the history of the game where serversâ economies have been effectively, unintentionally blended together.
Gold farming doesnât do that and never has. Gold farming simply creates gold from within the economy and then redistributes it within that same economy. Layering explicitly transfers goods from one economy and brings them into another.
Your continual personal insults aside, your basic premise that âbuying and selling goldâ is already occurring in the game is undisputed. You havenât said anything anyone reading this doesnât already know. The part you canât connect is that buying and selling gold doesnât disrupt the economy at a macro level.
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Grobbulus layer A is to Grobbulus layer B as Grobbulus is to Deviate Delight. Gold farmers on Grobbulus can not bring gold from Deviate Delight into Grobbulusâ economy.
The difference is that layer exploiters, which gold farmers can be but arenât necessarily so, can bring gold from Grobbulus layer A into Grobbulus layer B, which is the same as recognizing the problems that would exist if gold farmers could bring gold from Deviate Delight into Grobbulus. They canât; the melding of distinct economies like that simply is not possible without layering and thatâs the problem with your false equivalency between gold farming and layer exploiting.
The problem is exacerbated by the fact that Blizzard canât introduce gold sinks, which they have done to account for gold farming in past iterations of the game.
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wow a whole 30 days
until its a streamer getting bannedâŚcolor me unimpressed.
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Mmmmmm Iâll believe it when there are a bajillion posts on the Support forums crying and raging about âfalse bansâ. Thatâs how you can really tell that things hit the fan.
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Letâs see if a few notable streamers will receive the same treatment after repeating exploits on stream.
Not a chance.
Blizz knows at this point the streamers are running the show.
Twitch is calling the shots as they control the masses.
Which is also why the games and company is tanking. There is no leadership in this company. Just a bunch of lackies listening to complainers and flavor of the month streamers.
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Itâs potentially worse than that. Itâs actually a thirty day suspension pending an investigation. It may be a permanent ban after the investigation, we donât know.
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And people are cheating already, gross right?
The things people will do to âWinâ in a video game, instead of just like, being good at them.