Not my lived experience on this planet, especially on the internet, but that’s okay. If you’ve been blessed with a better experience, I’m happy for you. But still, doesn’t just affect me, as you insinuated.
This is all speculation and conspiracy. I’ve browsed these forums since Classic release. And I’d also like to point out that when someone has a dissenting opinion on here, everybody is so quick to point out how everyone is just posting on alts and there’s only a handful of people that agree, but when it’s something you support, the entire player base is active here and agrees with you. But it doesn’t matter, we know the vast majority of subs don’t use these forums. That’s why it’s feels so frustrating when Blizzard doesn’t seem to listen. Because you’re here engaging, your opinion should carry more weight, right? Unfortunately, we are the minority that Blizzard will never pander to until we’re the only ones left playing their games. And IF they add LFR, I won’t be back here complaining about it, because it would be futile. I’ll be too busy posting in LFG three days before raid trying to fill our 25M.
Only a moron wouldn’t know it’s obviously true. No one has unlimited time so the more things they do with that limited time the less depth they have in each of them. That’s why I haven’t owned a television or watched tv for about 40 years. I didn’t have enough time to indulge in something so boring. The only reason I watch some tv now is because of streaming. And because I’m retired so a lot of my time previously spent working is now free time
It’s telling that the only “punchlines” you’ve contributed are aimed at me—not the actual topic of LFR, group integrity, or Classic design philosophy. You claim to have had serious conversations, but every time I engage you with structured points, your response is to ridicule the format instead of refuting the content. That’s not conversation—that’s avoidance.
You keep trying to frame length or organization as some kind of flaw, as if taking the time to lay out a coherent argument somehow invalidates it. But here’s the truth: those “rants” you mock? They’re structured, consistent, and focused on game systems. If that makes you uncomfortable, it’s not because they’re jokes—it’s because they leave no easy angle to deflect from.
What you call “disruption” is really just disagreement you couldn’t control. And that’s why the thread moved past you while you kept circling the same personal jabs. The argument stands. The system critique stands. The only thing that’s been “put down” is your ability to respond to it without deflecting into insults.
That argument assumes that “fun” is universal and consequence-free—but in a multiplayer game, one person’s shortcut can degrade someone else’s experience. When LFR fragments the player pool, trivializes raid content, and siphons potential recruits from organized groups, it isn’t about denying fun—it’s about protecting a system that relies on interdependence, not convenience. Classic was built around group accountability. LFR removes that, and yes, that makes it harder to maintain real raid teams.
This isn’t “narcissism”—it’s advocating for a version of the game that treats effort as meaningful, not optional.
You’re right—they did. And what followed was a cycle of vote-kicking, queue dodging, and devalued dungeon structure that Blizzard has openly acknowledged by excluding RDF in certain phases. So citing that precedent like it supports your point is self-defeating. RDF’s issues weren’t imaginary—they were documented. And when people expressed concern, they were often proven right.
Saying “you’ll run away if LFR is added” just shows the same dismissive tone that Retail defenders used when Classic was first announced. But Classic thrived—because peoplewantedthe friction, not in spite of it.
Funny how nobody cares, yet they can’t stop replying. You don’t disprove a point by trying to shout over it. And quoting a TV show doesn’t invalidate a post—it’s called tone and personality. Try it sometime.
Cool story. Has zero bearing on LFR. If this is how far we’re reaching to dodge the topic—bragging about avoiding television and belittling others for media preferences—then clearly, the argument lost its legs two turns ago.
So now making design arguments based on ecosystem impact is “selfish”? And somehow your position—to fragment the raid scene for convenience with zero regard to community or group health—isn’t? Saying “live and let live” sounds noble until it’s used to justify systems that erode the experience of others.
“Let me play how I want” doesn’t hold up when how you want to play weakens how others can.
Having more posts doesn’t prove you’re right—it just means you’ve posted more. And when 95% of those posts are personal jabs, derailments, or “gotcha” one-liners, it’s not a badge of credibility—it’s a highlight reel of deflection.
Meanwhile, the arguments we’re presenting—about LFR’s impact on raid structure, gearing integrity, and Classic design philosophy—are detailed, consistent, and backed by in-game outcomes. That’s contribution. That’s substance.
So if the best you’ve got is “you must be an alt” while the post trail behind you is just insult after insult, then maybe it’s not post count that determines who’s been here engaging—it’s whether those posts actually meant anything.
Ironically, this came after claiming others were insulting. But let’s humor it: not everyone’s trying to master TV, books, sports, and games—they’re trying to enjoy them. Having varied interests doesn’t make someone shallow—it means they’re well-rounded. And frankly, if time management is the hill here, maybe don’t spend hours in a WoW forum chain-flaming people over raid queue philosophy.
He doesn’t actually. He’s clueless about most of the things he discusses on his podcast. If someone on one of his podcasts tries to discuss MMA Rogan is quick to point out every flaw in his arguments and every ignorant comment he makes. Because Rogan knows MMA. But for virtually every other topic discussed he nods along like a jackaz to what ever bs his guest spouts no matter how ridiculous. Because Rogan is clueless about almost every subject discussed on his podcasts except MMA.
The species Ho-mo Sapiens isn’t very sapient. Rogan, who is stupid and ignorant, plays to the stupid and ignorant which is a much larger market than the intelligent and educated. There are much better podcasts, like Sam Harris, who is hated by both the stupid on the left and the stupid on the right. But you have to be educated before you listen and you have to want to be educated by the podcast. Most people want neither.
I suspect that’s more a choice than because he’s uniquely good. There’s so much overlap between many sports that if one has worked hard enough to be great at one it’s less of a challenge to be great at another if one chooses to focus on that. Most great musicians could be great multi-instrumentalists because of the overlap between instruments. But there are very few great multi-instrumentalists because most choose to focus on just one.
Shows I do more than listen. It shows I have the education to analyze the information I’m listening to. When I have sufficient knowledge on a subject to question the bs the guest is spouting and Rogan doesn’t challenge anything the guest says it means that Rogan is ignorant or is colluding with the guest to scam his listeners. The question would be why can’t you do that and the only answer is that you lack sufficient knowledge to question the guests.
Many stupid and uneducated people are making massive amounts of money on the internet. I’ll admit it takes a certain amount of cunning to do that but it doesn’t take intelligence or education. Some girls giving make up advice on youtube are making much more money then Noble prize winners in physics. I don’t believe that the fact that they make more money is evidence of intelligence or education that exceeds that of the Noble prize winner in physics.
It doesn’t take intelligence to have the foresight to start a podcast before they are even a thing and grow it to be even bigger than mainstream media into a 100 million dollar business?
And have guests from all walks of life including the president and rocket scientists on the show to have 3 hour discussions?
He’s an idiot that allows himself to be fooled or scammed by his guests. In that he’s no different than his audience. It’s not that he isn’t there to challenge people, it’s that he lacks the education to challenge people. In the one area he does have sufficient knowledge, MMA, he will challenge them vigorously.
I don’t know why some people become popular but it’s very rare for complexity or nuance to become popular. The best or the brightest in almost every field in both the arts and sciences rarely become popular or rich. Popularity just means that you appeal to the hoi polloi and that which is complex or nuanced rises above the intellectual capacity of the hoi polloi. I’m no Noble prize winner or award winning author but I attempt to use whatever modest intellect I possess to understanding that which is complex and nuanced. I attach no value to popularity. That you do merely labels you as an average member of the hoi polloi.
And like clockwork—another one-liner that sidesteps every point made in the thread.
That’d be a decent jab if this were a stand-up set. But it’s not. It’s a discussion about group integrity, system design, and Classic’s identity—none of which you’ve addressed, let alone refuted.
LFR isn’t about GDKPs loosing players or “losing their food.” It’s about removing the need to cook at all—instantly queuing players into watered-down content with no accountability, no coordination, and no real incentive to engage beyond a loot pinata.
If you want to engage, bring arguments. If you’re just here to toss napkins at the buffet table, don’t expect anyone to treat it like substance.
You keep talking about “structured arguments” like it’s some badge of honor, but when every post has the same polished cadence, the same predictable beat, and enough artificial sincerity to make a Blue Post blush, it stops sounding like insight and starts sounding like ChatGPT on autorepeat, especially when your “system critiques” read more like a self-coaching manual on how to win forum debates with flowcharts.
If you want to convince anyone you’re not glued to a prompt generator, try mixing it up, because until then, every time you hit “post,” all we’re hearing is the uncanny valley echoing back.
Ghostcrawler left Blizzard just barely over a year after the launch of MoP. That really doesn’t amount to much exposure to LFR in the live environment. His opinion is based on his experience with it in its infancy.
He also said WoW is designed so that anyone’s grandmother can pick it up and play. It is designed to be accessible to a broad audience.