Examples of Layering exploits and problems

Laeric-wyrmrest-accord · June 29, 2019, 10:44pm

Only if we can get the disgusting, gluttonous, twisted, heinous people calling for its removal out of Classic WoW first.

Slientknight-blackrock · June 29, 2019, 10:55pm

I doubt they can fix these copious amounts of exploits before launch. I mean some of these exploits still haven’t been fixed in retail.

Heidene-kelthuzad · June 29, 2019, 11:03pm

Hey I just don’t like layers… people are cool. Oh well. I’d say i’d gank you but i’m guessing you’ll be alliance too, and play on US while i’m EU, so here goes nothing. Fine!! I’ll take the heat then i guess.

Laeric-wyrmrest-accord · June 29, 2019, 11:04pm

Okay I’m sorry for coming off so harshly man.

I’m just getting tired of unnecessary shade being thrown at a system that isn’t even going to be around for very long.

Heidene-kelthuzad · June 29, 2019, 11:14pm

I understand. No worries! It’s really a controversial thing right now, and i actually think it’s awesome to see people being so passionate about it.
Everyone has their own view and i respect that. It can definitely get heated atm - that’s fine, just hope we’ll still all get along somehow after this topic is a done deal since we’re all just a bunch of classic fans in the end

Laeric-wyrmrest-accord · June 29, 2019, 11:14pm

Well, considering how punishing Classic is supposed to be if folks DON’T get along, here’s hoping!

Thanks for being so understanding man.

Slientknight-blackrock · June 29, 2019, 11:16pm

Maybe blizz was trying to bribe these streamers with beta access in hopes they would support their unconstitutional decision on layering, and ease the masses into the idea. Welp, that back fired, dint it.

Laeric-wyrmrest-accord · June 29, 2019, 11:18pm

I’m not gonna give that video any credence whatsoever. Just judging by the thumbnail, the dude’s yet another Alexsensual who’d never be happy with anything Blizzard puts out even if it was exactly what he wanted.

Wiktar-caelestrasz · June 30, 2019, 12:30am

See no evil…

Slientknight-blackrock · June 30, 2019, 9:21am

The person posting the vid is presenting evidence, no reason for ad hominem, as it isn’t the poster that is the topic of the debate, but the evidence of the post, that clearly shows how layering is not at all like vanilla.

Also not the game I paid for to play.

Fury-lethon · June 30, 2019, 11:08am

Yea anyone who says “it’s just beta, they will fix these by launch” really don’t understand the ramifications of layering. This has shown to be and will be just another CRZ/sharding, if you have been playing 8.2 you can see how bad Blizzard is at sorting players putting people in empty ones or phasing you out constantly.

Best solution would just be to not have it. All the problems will solve themselves within a few days and the dead realm issue people like to bring up would happen anyway or could be mitigated by upping the realm cap (but not splitting into layers) for the first few weeks.

Nechross-eonar-37277 · June 30, 2019, 4:28pm

Added Countdown To Classic podcast discussion on Layering. Thanks again!

Heidene-kelthuzad · July 1, 2019, 10:28am

https://clips.twitch.tv/ResilientAmericanDolphinSoonerLater

This is Kevin Jordan, a vanilla WoW game designer. Here he says in response to a question from his viewer that layering makes the world lose integrity, and therefore also affects the economy. He even refers to layering making it feel like “cheating”.

I figured it’d be another good clip to add because it’s from a literal vanilla wow game designer, and it helps to have someone as important as him in regards to Classic/Vanilla talk about layering and recognizing there’s significant issues with it.

Keep it up

Nechross-eonar-37277 · July 1, 2019, 2:33pm

Added the Kevin Jordan clip to the OP. Thanks @Heidene.

And the Reddit link:
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/c7qm59/layering_makes_the_world_lose_integrity_economy/

Heidene-kelthuzad · July 2, 2019, 5:47pm

https://clips.twitch.tv/MushyAlluringGoldfishRedCoat

Looks like the layering cd in action. Asmon got layered when invited by this guy who was with him at the same spot. Didn’t see him even when invited to the group (prob. cause of layering cd), and then when he entered the city and ran back out, there was very clear phasing. It looks so clunky and out of place… Oh boy.

Blaîr-sargeras · July 2, 2019, 5:54pm

So you’re suggesting upping the realm cap to what exactly 5000? 8000? 10000? Without having any sort of dynamic respawn? Did you not play the stress test? And that was with layering.

Fury-lethon · July 2, 2019, 6:10pm

probably like 9000 with dynamic respawn.

Slientknight-blackrock · July 2, 2019, 8:18pm

Even though I’m really against layering, one possible solution that includes layering that I would personally find acceptable would be requiring a person who wishes to manually layer, to do so in an inn of a major city. Effectively putting manually layering on the hearthstone cooldown.

Blaîr-sargeras · July 2, 2019, 9:14pm

So you’d rather people exploit dynamic respawns like they do on private servers then have layering, it’s a double edge sword bud there is no perfect answer to make everyone happy.

With layering you have the problems they are facing on the beta. With dynamic respawns you have places like the fargodeep mine respawning right after you kill a mob sometimes before you even kill the mob.

Fury-lethon · July 2, 2019, 9:35pm

This was already the case in retail. They had dynamic spawns and on launches things would be respawning super fast. It’s not as exploitable as layering because it’s going off the players in the area.

Just release both types of servers. The non-layered ones could be just regular 3k servers even.