Historically we have 3 classes that go from caster/heal to tank.
What do the 3 classes have in common?
They change their main stat.
What makes you think that evoker would be any different?
If they would get a tank spec and that is a big big IF, they would be scaling from Agility as that is already a precedent for so many other classes and AGI is already found on mail armor.
Besides Int doesn’t give any survivability so far.
Meaning an potential evoker tank would not be a caster. They will not use Int for their abilities.
They might have a flame breath but it will very likely work different from the other specs iteration.
And just to add to the stat/armor type.
What should be the speciality of a evoker tank?
Like kiting? We have DH and maybe Monk for that.
Self heal? Again DH and DK… One could argue every class can self heal decently in DF.
DMG reduction? They do not wear plate armor or shields, also Monk does that better with their shuffle.
If you say DH also doesn’t wear plate or don’t have shuffle, yeah they are also squishy outside of Mitigation.
What else is there? CC? All classes have it, DH gets even better in DF.
Magic mitigation? DH and DK.
The only thing they would bring is Utility…
Which they can also bring in one of their other specs.
It was 2AM, allow me to tear apart the rest of your post now.
It really doesn’t matter what their main stat is, Strength, Agility, and Intelligence have been functionally identical since Wod. Every piece of armor in the game provides ALL three now as well, the game activates and deactivates the attribute based on your active spec now. It’s been like this for a while now. Strength and Agility stopped giving survivability in WoD, and it doesn’t matter that Strength hasn’t been seen on Mail since Wrath, if they want want a Str based Mail class, it can and will happen.
Your assumption and nothing more. Sure there haven’t been any Int tanks in the game yet, doesn’t mean it can’t and won’t ever happen.
If we go by your list here… the only tanks that should exist are DH and DK as well as “maybe monk”… because it sounds like you think that Paladin, Warrior, and Druid don’t have a place since everything is already covered by DH and DK. Newsflash, OVERLAP IS FINE! So what if two tanks have the same specialty. They are still going to have different feels and can have vastly different playstyles… heck, mechanically Druid Tank is just Warrior. And Warrior over the years has just become “less magical Paladin”. Paladin is “DK with shields instead of heals”. DH is “Warlock thinks he’s DK”… tank is a role that is hard to make truly “unique”.
Are you some sort of developer spokes person? didn’t think so.
Although the argument that it may delay release is valid it isn’t necessarily accurate. The frame work is already there and from now to season 1 would give them 3 months to polish it with out any delays. From there constant class tuning and reworks will take place over time just like with every other class.
I agree with this but that doesn’t make it a class problem as much as a encounter/design for all tanks in general problem. I touched up on this a bit, tank shortage is an illusion because across all aspects in the game the tank spot in a group is the most limited. Side note though, a evoker tank flag carrier sounds fun af.
I just think that with 2 Hero Classes having a tank spec it is good that this one is focused on healing and ranged damage instead. 2 Hero Classes have been melee so far with a tank spec, not including Monk which was the other class that was added.
Change is good, but the only thing I don’t like is there isn’t another form of healing or range damage for it in another spec.
Also no I definitely do not speak for the development team or am in any way associated with Blizzard in any employment capacity. I was being overly sarcastic.
Fair, but consider this. Adding another healer spec breaks the balance between the bottom two represented roles while adding a tank spec balances it.
Also when tanks were added in the past it was because they were the least represented role in the game and it also thematically fit with each expansion. still true to this day. I touched up on this earlier but “hero class” is irrelevant and just means higher skill cap and requires a max level toon, it would still be a full caster.
Finally, I cant stress this enough, i appreciate that at the very least you are still asking for a 3rd spec. I obviously would push for that third spec being a tank spec and have compelling arguments that make sense, but more important than that I would love blizz to give us something full and deep if we get a new class every 4-6 years. I dont want 2 specs to be the new norm/standard.
I think that isnt bad initially if all roles are available on it. For the lore it makes sense. The dracthyr have spent thousands of years asleep and never met us. It is completely logical that over the next few years they will learn to fight like us and other classes/races become available
Hero Class actually means specialized class. In the beginning of the games history it was intended that we would specialize into hero roles branching out from our main classes. This never became the case so instead we have classes separated from their origins.
The idea is that this is a class with unique playstyles that differ drastically or enough from any other class in their design.
You dont speak for developers. If you have a reason for or against please share dont try quoting an article/podcast/interview from shortly after announcement in attempts to silence the idea. Developers are listening and we can sway them to do so, they have been very responsive lately.
“EVOKER” is the class which will and should be ranged only at this time.
Dracthyr are the race and should be able to preform all roles availble, unless you would be okay with the next new race only being able to tank and melee.
What makes more sense:
Having a new race which we have never met in lore already know our ways of fighting (IE classes)
OR
Having the new class/race combo which we have never met in the lore be able to perform all roles with their one class and learn new classes with time as they mingle amongst us (as well as teach us a thing or two)
Before you say pandaren/monks put it into context…none of us were around 10k years ago when they were made and put into stasis where pandas lived in the mist and were well aware of outside races.
No i don’t. And yes i don’t speak for the developers, but neither do you.
My opinion is that this is the first race/class added that is ranged and it should stay that way. It shouldn’t get a tank spec. You have had monks and DHs give you that.
