Every single utility we have is like 1 minute cooldown for our only snare, 2 minutes for our stun and 30 seconds for our mobility. Like we are a caster look at the mage class we need lower cooldown utility skills.
For a mid-range class that is supposed to be quite mobile we don’t have a lot to work with and we are far too cooldown based.
Agreed.
For the disadvantage of being a mid-range caster (esp in PvP), Evoker is incredibly vulnerable.
While these tools are handy, the CD’s for control and movement need to be lower to offset the spec’s disadvantages.
Devoker as it stands can only be viable if its gimicky and can just one shot stuff or out dps specs. It lacks cc it lacks mobility and range, it lacks stuns on lower cd, zero healing reduction dispellable fire breath dot.
Like dh has more dps, more defensives mobility and 2 stuns and 2 different fear and poly ccs. On top of other utility.
Dh is the best DPS class for m+ in the game right now, they stand alone in their own tier even above specs like outlaw, feral, and wind walker.
Using them as a standard isn’t really practical, they’re almost certain to get nerfed.
Alright then, i can use mage or warlock or any other caster as a comparison and they all have more utility than devoker.
Do you really want me to list all the things Spriest\Mage\Warlock has that Devoker doesnt? Multiple low CD snares, spammable CC, large shields, Anti heal, Multiple DR CCs, silences… I mean the list goes on.
Evokers have a knock back, a knock up, bloodlust, a massive aoe root, an aoe sooth, an aoe party damage reduction, a spammable 3 target snare on azure strike, 3 defensives (2 charge obsidian + Renewing), a CC that can reposition mobs without aggroing, an aoe stun, a grip, and a bleed dispel.
Lets quit the utter nonsense that evokers are struggling on utility, they do fine.
Yea none of that stuff is as good as mage or spriest utility in pvp. 1 stun with a wind up on a cooldown with 25 yard range caster, 1 stun that is on a 1 min CD . No Healing reduction, no silence.
IDk maybe your a gladiator but i cant tell since your profile is private and you know what you are talking about, but to me devoker has awful utility in comparison to other casters.
But based on the fact that you think having a single CC which has a 15 second cooldown is even comparable to what other specs have on top of our really bad knockback and knockup on top of thinking AOE party damage reduction or AOE sooth is note worthy in pvp i dont think you are.
So i wont quit it because its not nonsense. Devoker has trash Mobility and CC in comparison to nearly all other casters
nobody cares about pvp
Says who? You? Plenty of people PVP and blizzard has already stated its importance so your comment means nothing.
Oh you sweet child.
You sound like a complete moron. Plenty of ppl care about pvp. Who cares about Mythic +?
see I can invalidate YOUR gameplay preferences just as easily.
And Dactill is right, you are wrong. He’s talking about pvp, you are talking about Mythics/raids.
Devokers have serious survivability issues, they are literally ONLY being propped up by cheese 2 min one-shot that we all knew was going to be nerfed.
Devokers actually just have alot of “fluff” abilities. Things that sound ok on paper, but really just dont make a big difference or are so situational/niche that they are not really impactful in most pvp scenarios.
1.5 min cd on a knockup/knockback? have to waste a talent point to bring it down to 45 sec, which is still too long with the amount of gap closers melee have.
root on a 1 min cd? LOL. mages do this with nova every ~ 15 sec. big deal it roots someone 30 yards away. I want to root whats next to me 99% of the time, so the cd is unnecessarily long.
3 second stun? 2 min cd, talent to make it 1min (still too long…) again, Idc that it stuns someone 30 yards out. most of the time I’m trying to stun someone NEAR ME. Again a long cd as a tax just bc of this.
You wana use your big nuke every 30 seconds? stand there and channel 3-4 seconds lol. who cares about a cone DOT that can get dispelled easily or even ignored. Another ability that is taxed heavily bc you can channel for 4 seconds (lol pvp) and do massive aoe damage. its just NOT PRACTICAL without Tip the scales.
That DH/DK/Rogue/X class just outside Disintegrate range (lol 26 yds have fun), better burn a Hover charge to do ur BASIC ROTATION. Imagine getting kited by melee as a RANGED class.
I can list many more CORE issues with PVP gameplay surrounding Devokers, but I guess Who cares about pvp right?
Preservation is considered to be the best or second best healer for m+. Really they have everything they need.
Multiple versions of cc, extremely high healing when needed, high dmg output, the ability to cast while moving for a significant amount of a dungeon.
They have more tools then most healers really have, it really is fine.
We need arcane explosion
I’d say: either buff our range or buff our mobility and defensives. Feels incomplete at many times.
Sure, there are literally dozens of you
You mean the main source of PvE gearing for most characters in the predominantly PvE endgame? Whew you’re throwing daggers over here . The reasons your hackles got raised is because you know there is a thread of truth in my claim.
I’m not the one that wrote a novella to someone who clearly doesn’t care about pvp and wasn’t going to read past the first paragraph
For mid-range caster substitute “weak melee” character because its incredibly hard to not wind up in melee range.
lol. Oh noes he pulled out the “pve has more players than pvp” card.
not even gonna bother replying to this idiot anymore.
THIS.
evokers is basically a melee character with all the drawbacks of melee and all the drawbacks of ranged.
with one shot burst going away during hotfixes, devokers will be unplayable in pvp.
And while they are flagged as a ranged character, will disrupt PvE encounters. If their intention was for Evoker to be placed from melee to mid range, they should flag them as such.
Dont bother, i gave up on him. Holinka said in WOD during an interview that just as many people queue for PVP as PVE. So that is all we need to know, in terms of PVP being a big part of wow.
There are a couple of really weird people on the evoker forums. Like really weird.