Everything wrong with BfA in one player quote

you should edit, majority of currently subbed playerbase, because others that disagree already quit the game.

This is where I feel like the OP is coming from. Mythic+ gear doesn’t equate to being BiS in a Mythic Raid. Could it help? Sure.

Ilvl honestly means nothing and doesn’t equate to being a Mythic Raider.

And yet, the competitive raiding scene is by far the worst it’s ever been in the history of the game. There’s like what, two major players in the topend raiding scene, and nobody really cares anymore? Showering people with participation trophies just makes it harder for recruiters to filter out the trash from the people that are actually capable of doing hard content.

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Why i can see what you are trying to get achieve, That quote to me shows nothing that is wrong with BFA. Not even slightly.

Like it or not, WoW is a diverse and should be a diverse game.
I would say its there over reliance on Difficulty and raiding and there need for players to be doing it that has pushed this decline.
The lack of the RPG and a feel of the world, Players cannot engage with the world. And are instead pushed into content.

Some people like staying at a certen difficulty, But want progress of there character. The game offers nothing, and instead try to get all these diverse players in one thing with little choice to it.
Social progress is almost a non thing in wow, with the removal of master looter this is solidified.
In the end, players of all types should be able to find progress in gear. But as you go up in difficulty your access should improve.
You move up a tier, and you gain more ability to get the gear to progress.
Professions would be a great place if the devs get there head above water, We already have 99% of the systems needed.
But with the devs thinking they are making a mobile game, the treadmill will be pushed at the expense of the world.

This could also be used to drop bloat to gear level as well, which i think is needed. With the gear squish already passed i would have liked Blizzard to have put some effort into not going full speed into the same problem again.

Please back up this having a negative impact on subs, actual sub numbers reflect GROWING subscriptions when there was no welfare and quick gearing, and falling subs now that there is.

Illidan was 25man. Very similar to today.

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Blizzards best interest in terms of subs? Because those are at an all time low right now because of systems you defend.

If they aren’t subbed they aren’t in the playerbase anymore :wink:

I don’t care how people choose to play the game. My problem is with Blizz, and the rewards they’ve chosen to give out for choosing easier content. It breeds an inferior player base.

Ion said it in the last Q&A flat out.

Someone who knows what they are talking about, not speculating like others who want welfare epics.

Yeah, I bet they’re really happy about that. What a good move to adopt systems that hurt the game and decrease total participation.

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Ah so you’re an elitist, I’ll step out of your rant then. Have a nice day.

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But were at one point, and disagreed with you so they protested with your wallets. Yeah its real easy to skew things in your favor dont you think?

no someone who wants whats best for the game. There are achieve, mounts, gear pieces i have not owned and never will because i wasnt that good back then. I should still be that way today, something to strive for.

Ahh see, here’s we might diverge. I did my time as a raider (obviously not on this character) and don’t really want to play that way anymore.

I’m not sure on the participation trophy factor, but recruiters can figure out after a few fights exactly what’s going on with the person. The hard part is saying “You stink, get better or get out.”

The reality is it’s NOT the gear. It’s people being unable to follow directions and NOT stand in fire.

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I have just one observation. Why is it the people downplaying the skill required to complete a M+10-15 have none listed on their profile? Since obviously Mythic+10 is just such an easy way to gear…lmao.

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because some of us dont care about PvE, but do care about the state of the game. I dont have any mythic raiding either…

And yeah it is easy as you gear up through that tier. 4 weeks and people doing +13s already. People were doing +10s in week 2. Come on, where is the challenge in that? why even have 1-10 keys in the first place.

Wanting a better pool of players to play the game with is hardly elitist. It’s a hope that we all have - admit it, no one likes playing with bad players - we just have different opinions on how to get there.

Teaching… them? Maybe?

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So, if I join a group of 19 others and spend 3 hours wiping on a boss (which I do) I am somehow deserving of better loot than the group of 5 that can very well take the same three hours to clear a Mythic +12? Depending on the affixes for that week heck, I think some weeks and dungeons are more difficult than raid but that’s just my humble opinion

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