I think its about time for people to start realizing that people post way more when mad than when happy. Skews the perception of what the majority is.
Its not weird with holinka wanting people to socialize. He is older and from a generation that didnât have social media or phones most his young years. He is like our parents who talk to everyone and befriend everyone around them. They talk, while everyone these days is socially awkward and rather have fun through their phones than in person.
Iâm pushing close to 40 now. I know both worlds of being terminally online and outside playing until dark before i was allowed inside and land lines where a thing.
While agreeing with this part, I find the concept of arena/bg/ebg interesting and fun, unfortunately the execution is bad and unmaintained.
I would also want the competition to put more focus on skills and not collection.
The people who are happy never make it known.
So all anyone sees is negativity and that means negative reception is all they get.
Perception is reality.
So from an outside perspective it looks like the entire PvP community is just a bunch of terminally online complainers who are never happy with anything.
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I demonstrate. We got new animations for the next season, and I made a post congratulating the developers who made them.
Maybe he should run a dating site then.
This is what Holinka is responsible forâŚ
- Removing PvP servers ( He destroyed World PvP.)
- Removing WoD PvP Gearing⌠forcing upgrades locked behind rating.
- Ashran (LOL)
- Corruptions. Corruptions were such an atrocity that the person who thought of the idea got fired. They fired the man who thought of the idea - but not the people who approved it (Holinka.)
- Refusal to implement the two most requested PvP features in the games history. His refusal to adapt to what modern day players wanted⌠because of ego, and outdated social beliefs.
Holinkaâs main priority was hanging out at Blizz Con so content creators could kiss his ring. PvP has actually improved since he stepped down - but because of the state he left it in⌠causing so many people to quit the game - none of us actually acknowledge it. The man destroyed PvP - and to this day - I am proud to be blocked by him⌠for calling him out.
I cannot stand the guy.
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Itâs funny to go back and read all the comments on his 2nd leaving of Blizzard and all the hopeful comments seeing the state of the game still years later. Which is hilarious to know he went to work for greg street who couldnât even handle making an MMO with unlimited funding from Tencent at Riot Games.
Interesting read⌠and a lot of those posts support what Iâve been saying. Brian Holinka is responsible for everything bad that has happened to PvP - and responsible for holding back two features that should have been implemented years ago. If Solo Shuffle and Blitz had been implemented when they should have been implemented - a lot of the kinks would be ironed out by now. Iâm not a fan of a lot of the people currently in charge - but by comparison to the worst PvP designer in the history of MMOs - they have actually improved PvP. Unfortunately, for them, a lot of people already quit⌠and theyâll take the blame. Letâs not even discuss the questionable behavior during events⌠which Holinka was aware of.
Heâs an all around terrible person⌠and the killer of Warcraft PvP.
I think itâs a little premature to put âPvP being badâ at the feet of 1 man when there are probably 100s working on it.
The only âkinksâ in shuffle and blitz is the new PvP designer being unwilling to fix mmr which is not a huge endeavor at all.
Itâs easy to say that when youâre not there. People can take the moral high road all day long when they got nothing on the line.
But 95% of people when it comes time to actually lose something In order to stand by their principles they cave instantaneously.
If you spoke up in all likely hood you would be ostracized from the conversation there and likely fired before they cover up whatever it was. So you stood for nothing. Happens every time when 1 person tries to call out an entire company culture especially one the people at the top with the power condoned. The people who actually did the act got jail time and rightly so.
But bystanders had money to make just like everyone else and were not trying to catch that heat which I can understand.
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https://youtu.be/S6fwK-Jnxnc?si=aMKFcSWpEPizncB9&t=4968
Interview with pvp dev. Team of 3 work on pvp. This was shadowlands and this dude quit. Team of 2 work on wow pvp lmaoooooo
With the way Blizz handles Pvp contents, I wouldnât be surprised if all human developers are already replaced by Copilot (or that Grok3 etc) following the trend with the full support of the Board.
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mages honestly make me sick at the moment its just completely broken
no wonder its the worst its ever been lol
ââhundreds working on it.ââ
L O L.
Dude must be related to Holinka. One man ran PvP into the ground.
Peeeeeace.
Who is the guy currently in charge of it?
If it was all the fault of brian holinka then why is it still bad and arguably worse then it was when he was in charge of it now that heâs years gone?
He must be the new guy ârunning it into the groundâ.
I think the narrative that brian holinka did âirreparable damageâ to to the PvP scene is a joke. The people who quit the game over 1 bad season were never the people who were actually going to be around long term anyway those kind of people were just waiting to leave.
I agree solo Que arena and bgs shouldâve been a thing ages ago just cause of the simple fact this games community is insufferable even according to everyone who is new to it like tyler1. I remember he said âitâs just a bunch of 40 year olds trying to act like their 17 again saying words they donât even know the meaning of to be coolâ. lmaooo I couldnât help but agree. I love that guy no filter.
But just cause he postponed it doesnât mean he âkilledâ PvP maybe he was just trying to make sure it was really the right thing to do as once they did implement it it completely warped Pvps direction entirely.
I think at least back then we actually had a forward facing dedicated PvP specific dev as controversial as he may have been for some reason. We donât even have that today I donât think and that is unfortunate.
This isnât really a PVP player problem, itâs a human nature problem.
In general, people are too negative. They only see what is bad, and completely ignore what is good. How can such a person be happy? Getting back to PVP, specifically⌠are there problems? Yeah - but as you pointed out:
The devs have been giving us everything we asked for. People always say, âThe devs ignore us poor PVP players,â but this list certainly begs to differ. They have definitely been trying to placate the 1% of PVP players, even when they donât really have to. We could all quit and it wouldnât even matter.
Funnily enough, people should also be mindful of the fact that encouragement, appreciation, and gratitude are more likely to result in the devs giving an F about PVP. We donât do that enough. We tend to âBite the hand that feeds usâ - and then we wonder why they donât want anything to do with us. Itâs not rocket science. We tend to treat the devs like dirt.
Iâm not saying that the devs are perfect; rather, what Iâm saying is that theyâre human. Everybody likes to feel appreciated, and thatâs much more likely to get them inclined to want to help the PVP players than calling them trash-cans in nearly every thread.
This âDilemmaâ isnât that hard to solve: majority rules.
You canât make everyone happy, but you can make most people happy - and in an MMO, thatâs what matters.
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I think we are just getting older and bitter. I remember times when I was happy to just be in a BG, whether I was GY farmed or winning. Nowadays Iâm on the verge of quitting if the first team fight is not going well.
That, and also the game is so old that even the most casual PvP is very competitive. Itâs no longer an enjoyable experience. I legit started to get tired playing PvP in recent years.
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Lol @ he postponed it.
Dude, I am done talking to you. You obviously have no idea who Brian Holinka is⌠or his past. IF that man was still in charge of PvP - there would be no solo shuffle or blitz⌠and weâd still be rocking the BfA PvP gearing system.
Any person who defends Holinka as a dev, or as a person in general - gets ignored.
His ââpostponing itââ set PvP back years⌠and it will never fully recover.
The majority usually isnât that smart. Youâd be shocked at the # of spineless people who will just parrot whatever they think will get them the most praise in the moment.
They have not had that pov for many years by the looks of it.
There is something in retail for just about every kind of player now.
The lawyer dude in charge hates pvp so maybe hes behind it all