Every change is the next step to retail

I cope just fine sir.

If you find Classic unacceptable because if it’s lack of trash metrics please feel free to visit Retail and stay there.

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Not one reason that you personally accept, apparently. Anyone could say the exact same thing about the benefits of dual spec, and then just dismiss anything.

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I feel like you read but lack the understanding of why I play TBC.

I hate the homework of retail, the weekly Torghast, the daily world quests, the maw, the pointless rep grinds, etc, which unfortunately is the bulk of retail.

Everything else about retail is superior.

That said, I want the core of the game, and to not have mindless homework making wow a chore which is why I prefer TBC.

But be smoothbrain and assume that I only want retail for TBC. I want a faithful recreation, but dual talent implementation won’t make me mald like you are Andy.

I don’t recall anyone asking for store mounts or boosts, Blizzard opened this Pandora’s box with their greed.

Ight then put out legitimate and well thought out reasons as to why it will negatively impact the game, not some random conjecture about how it’ll “kill the experience” when talents are not meaningful to begin with, or about how it’ll “cause inflation” due to not buying respecs when people had 20k+ gold within the first month of classic, and god knows how much more now.

I’m waiting.

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Is I agree dual spec would not hurt the game’s core mechanics there’s a very big difference between quality of life.

Is changing the gameplay completely and destroying a core concept of the game.

His duel spack would be convenience LFD,lfr.

What destroy that core mechanics of the game

Well I have to say I disagree with that entirely, I haven’t seen one person make a case for it not being added outside it wasn’t true to TBC.

As for the upsides there are numerous

You can be a healer or tank and still be able to swap specs to do open world farming or pvp

You can tank for your guild, or farming pre-BiS and swap to your other spec for raid.

You can swap specs without the pointless gold sink, as well as have pre-set loadouts for you talents as well as bar layouts.

There are endless arguments for it, and basically none against it other than it wasn’t in TBC.

For the record I’m not even saying they should add it, I’m just saying I have yet to see an actual argument against it, or explaining why it’s bad.

So what you’re saying is that you’re fine with destroying the things others value in Classic, to get changes that already exist in Retail?

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You will be waiting for a while, because there isn’t really an argument to be made

I don’t think we’ll see more tanks and healers in a dual spec system. They’re still pretty rare in retail from what I understand. Realistically, it’s more of a pvp convenience. If you’re set on pve, you’re probably sticking with one spec. The game isn’t demanding enough for you to need to switch in between encounters.

I saw one guy say that hybrid classes are overpowered in a dual spec system, but I’m not sure that I believe that. They already switch when it suits them. The gold just isn’t a consideration.

It’s not as if people haven’t. If you’re following this topic, there are several threads, some which have legitimate gripes against dual spec.

This is a pretty silly thing to say, imo.

I doubt that to be true, considering how active you are on the forums. I think it’s more that you just don’t agree, and are being dismissive of the opinions of others.

Are there? Name one. I haven’t seen a single upside that is unique to dual spec stated.

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Oh, here’s a post about it. There are several points made in this thread, as well as the various threads it is linked to

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I literally listed out what’s good about dual spec.

This argument is pointless. You don’t like it because it wasn’t in TBC, it’s that simple.

And you know what that’s a fair argument, but you can’t say that dual spec has any negative effects, because that simply isn’t true.

It’s just odd that none of you guys can name one when asked. I suspect that some streamer said it was bad and you’re just parroting it without any reasoning. It’s fairly common on these forums.

Dual spec probably isn’t coming. You really don’t need to worry about this. Blizzard is only entertaining the changes that impact people’s ability to actually play the game. Dual spec doesn’t fit that need.

Implying I don’t value TBC.

Implying I haven’t said multiple times in this thread that I want a faithful recreation of the game.

Cope so hard you still can’t understand my point in this thread.

Dual talents won’t kill the game if it’s implemented. I don’t want it, but it’s better than LFD, LFR, Ilvl, .IO, Torghast, borrowed power, etc.

Like I said, I don’t want it in TBC, but to pretend it’s the end of the world and talk about “destroying what others value” is straight cope and cringe.

Go back to classic classic, classic TBC aint for you because whether we want it to or not, corporate greed WILL change this game, and I don’t want you having a heart attack when it happens old man.

Nothing you listed is unique to dual spec. Dual spec doesn’t actually make those things possible. They already are without it.

What you did was list some ideas that are not actually particularly even related to Dual Spec.

It isn’t odd. Check the links. Check the conversation history. It’s just tiresome when people dismiss legitimate reasons with, “that’s it?”

When the only reason people seem to be asking for Dual Spec is that they do not have enough gold (as far as I can tell).

I was on /b/ when the video you posted happened. The reason the poll was skewed was because you had to enter practically no details to vote and could do so multiple times without even using a VPN. Explain to me how this is the same thing as accounts currently subscribed voting once on a poll.

Alright, well have a good night man.

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Read the post, you imply that reducing fees would be better, but it won’t, because those raid roles that people with “dual talents” will be forced to do, will just be allocated to the standard “just respec or you’re not invited” that we saw in vanilla, tbc, classic, and see in tbc classic.

If your group won’t take you for not being this role, then they won’t take you. Neither dual spec or cheap fees will change that.

So… where’s the good argument?

I didn’t say or imply that. I’m just wondering why you want to change Classic to mirror Retail. Aren’t players that don’t want dual spec or other changes allowed to ask for what they want?