please note : The reason you are winning AV is not the skill and patience of the modern day horde, it’s the map.
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Changing battlegrounds will never fix PvP because battlegrounds don’t cause the problems with PvP. The ranking system causes the problems with PvP and with the battlegrounds. The AV debacle, the premade scouting to stomp for 18 hours straight, all of this bile flows downhill from the ranking system and those attempting to climb it.
Ranking ruined vanilla PvP, and anyone who was here to see phase 2 hit will know that ranking also ruined classic PvP.
Wrong. It was only broken because of the new Reinforcements mechanic. It allow Horde to easily grind it the zero thanks to their chokehold. No reinforcements, no broken cave.
This is basically AV in 1.12. Jerry is the Horde.
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Qpon thinks he’s good.
Btw, they already made plenty of changes to BGs and Classic. They got rid of AV numbers, added an artificial queue time for Alliance, and blacked out the teams in WSG and AB. I don’t remember any of those features being in Vanilla. However, when enough Horde cry on the forums, Blizzard listens.
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Short answer? Nope
Long answer? Probably not
Will you ever read the forums? This thread has been done a MILLION times.
They will NOT alter the map as the map was like it is now in vanilla. DEAL WITH IT.
I’m starting to think the map is a non issue. If you win pvp the map won’t matter. If the Horde and Alliance swapped starting positions the end result will still be the same.
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Normally, I would say to keep as close to “no changes” as possible, but since I was able to do “Marshal AV” and premade in vanilla, and that was removed (a change) in classic, I would say move the cave back. Also, I don’t remember this spawning 10 people at a time garbage.
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For the Seinfeld reference, you get my respect.
If by ‘the end result will still be the same’ you mean the south side will still win because of the reinforcement and choke point advantages, sure.
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I wouldn’t say no to reinforcements but i don’t think its gonna happen.
Had fun stomping horde players in the 50 to 59 bracket tonight in WSG and AB, we 5 capped and camped wsg gy. Havent lost an AB match since release, and win WSG most of the time. So much for horde superiority in pvp…it’s almost like AV is titled in there favor?
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There is nothing wrong with AV, just the alliance faction and it’s “ I wanna 10 minute game” “ zerg ibgy” mentality that make it bad.
It’s not Blizzard’s fault Alliance keeps trying to take IBGY and getting wiped by Horde.
Don’t even attempt to take Snowfall or any towers, just standing at Stonehearth.
I’ve never seen Alliance this bad at AV in my entire history playing WoW.
They also blamed the map in retail during the AV event when it’s simply just work around IBGY and stop trying to take it.
All the elites are piled up there and it’s just really, really dumb to take it.
I mean fail at taking it because after 100s of times failing, you people keep doing the same thing.
Exactly this.
You hold SHGY and you fight tooth n nail for SFGY.
Once you control SFGY, you migrate over and let horde take SHGY, and you DEFEND SFGY until they go north.
Then you push IBGY when they control SHGY.
Cap IBGY
Rush to relief hut, softcap FWGY
Pally pull or wait till GY caps.
I’ve won ever 40 games as alliance using this strat and my main is Horde.
I want fair and balanced AV games. I want longevity
Edit:
Why this works.
Horde who don’t have a GY mid/North will res at Cave 20 at a time!!!
You will be overrun at IBGY if this happens!
If you do not hold a mid GY anyone who dies at IBGY will be sent to cave and you will be recalled onto and wiped out and farmed at base.
Please, please, please!!!
Spread this strat, it works, it takes effort but it works
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How do horde even argue that their cave being moved up so much does not make a huge difference starting the game and controlling points. Blizz should really just switch sides and really let them cry about their ques and losses.
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To be fair, AV has sucked since 1.5. Korrak’s Revenge was the best iteration of AV for me that there ever was in modern WoW. Maybe making something completely new isn’t such a bad idea given all the trash iterations we’ve had.
I will agree this isn’t my favorite version of the map.
But I don’t believe the Vanilla recreation game is the place to not only put a non-vanilla version of the map, but a version of the map that has never existed anywhere else before either.
Don’t feed qpon he’s a troll