Hey look, it’s the biggest apologist for the worst design choices ever made and he doesn’t get what people don’t like about the current state of the game still!
Who would have guessed.
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If you’re time poor then yeah it’s going to take longer, remember though it’s 750 Echoes per Vision run. If you do 1 Vision a day and some random Emissary stuff and the 3 Weekly BE Assaults its around 1k+ per day with minimal time investment. You should be able to buy 2 extra ranks per week (give or take) if you play the game as a hobby.
I mean most “accumulations” in the game are a function of time . All I’m saying is that it isn’t as draconian as most people assume.
Ehh I think it’s tough cause you are limited on doing visions by a currency. Takes 8 weeks to get enough currency to do visions (without doing dailies) on alts.
There’s only two ways you can FARM them though. Otherwise it’s just “do a bunch of weekly stuff.”
Just don’t reply in a clark thread and he’ll go away…
He’s just seeking attention at this point.
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It’s only 750 echoes once you get to the point you can full clear, which takes a few runs. You probably won’t full clear until your 2nd or 3rd week of playing, simply due to being limited on how many runs you can do in a week.
Then you are right, you can buy cloak upgrades but you wouldn’t be able to buy corruption. You either have to save up for the corruption, or wait 3 weeks for that corruption to come back.
It’s all just incredibly tedious and makes playing a main annoying, let alone trying to play another character.
That’s a pretty long list. I guess echos are pretty easy to come by.
Except the highest payout on that list is 625 and like the other higher payouts, it’s only accessible once per week. For a frame of reference, cores cost 2,000 each and that’s the cheapest thing that you can purchase. Rank 3 essences, which we’ve already earned, cost 2,500 each. Corruptions, which are equally necessary, can cost in the neighborhood of 15,000. Of course, you’d want to buy extras so that you can corrupt upgraded pieces that you get- that way you don’t have to wait 30 days for that corruption to come back.
If you want to make the argument that echos are abundant (they aren’t), then fine. The real issue is that echos compete with too many essential purchases simultaneously. It isn’t effective as a catch-up mechanic.
No, alts shouldn’t be as powerful as main characters immediately. But there’s middle ground between that and this culmination of bandaids we’re currently grappling with.
I think the problem is people who are wanting to bring an alt up to participate in content need to collect echoes for…
- corruption
- essences
- Malefic cores
And i think that’s too much tied to a single currency.
Its nice they added a catch up, and adding another currency would’ve been dumb, but i feel tying every player power/borrowed power from the last half of the expansion into one currency isn’t the best way this could’ve been done.
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Right. They could have just let players run horrific visions over and over for cores up to the current weekly maximum. Or they could have permitted core acquisition before cloak rank 15. Or cores could have been purchasable directly via coalescing visions.
Essences could have been made actually account-wide too seeing as they’d still be time-gated behind the neck grind anyway.
Corruptions could also all be available at once so players feel less pressure to avoid essence/core purchases until after their needed corruption cycles out.
But here we are. Easily foreseeable issues being patched into live servers and strewn-together quasi-solutions being patched in to address them. Hello and welcome to 8.3.
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Don’t you still get echoes from things that don’t require the cloak like emissaries, M+, first 3 LFR wings, etc.?? 
Not if you don’t have the cloak
Wasnt aware. Glad I chopped out that 27+ hours early then. Took 4 weekends worth of my playing time but I got all 11 of my alts to rank 2 fairly early on. Got most of them to 4 rank 3 essences before the price increase, almost entirely by emissaries, sometimes 1 assault a week.
dude, it’s QOL stuff. It’s a video game. Can we not make catching up in a video game so… serious? people already have to invest an absurd amount of time to get caught up. So if a player wants to sink 80-100 or more hours over a couple weeks to get caught up, why not let them?
The system right now STILLLLLLL gates your ability to farm what you need. It’s the gating man. The expansion is nearing it’s end and THE CONTENT is still being gated. holy hell.
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Still not good enough. Yes, people that pay for a product AND a subscription fee can demand better systems. Paying customers. This is not a free game.
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Well, the biggest problem was how they implemented corruption, but after that, the issue is things being time gated.
Launch, 8.1, and 8.2 were nowhere near as bad as they are in 8.3 in terms of time gating. They’ve made improvements to the very flawed corruption system but it still would take over a month easily to get the cloak caught back up and have the right corruptions.
Fortunately SL seems to be going on very much the right direction with gear so I’m excited for that but i can’t remember any other time for many past xpacs that to catchup required THIS much effort.
It’s stuff like this 8.3 systems/’‘catchups’’ etc while doing 180’s in Shadowlands that make me extremely skeptical that they won’t just go the same ol’ route.
Good you can start by paying all the subs of people on the forums through gold.
Did I say I don’t like Visions?
I believe honestly, that Visions is the best content in BFA.
By.
A.
Mile.
There are people who don’t like it.
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You’re getting paid for this, right? Like, you have to be on Blizzard’s payroll, because otherwise I can’t imagine running to the defense of and/or simping for a billion-dollar company who makes genuinely bad decisions for their players while also paying that company for the chance to do so.
Your personal opinion on visions was not really the point of my post, but noted. ‘You’ was more of a general term aimed towards people who don’t like them.