IMO at least they get to keep their “victim/survivor” aspect. Even Tyrande isn’t being seen as “evil” but as a survivor that needs to be saved from self-destruction.
Sylvanas, the only real “suicide from depression” in WoW, had her suicide be the cause of her “deal with the devil” and “evil path”. Her trauma was essentially villainized.
Which is unfathomable levels of Bad™ as a suicide survivor myself.
Soooo… writers using WoW as a media to implement their own fanfics focused in using their pet characters / self inserts as a vehicle to stroke their egos as usual?
Duh. I´ve been calling that since like 3 years ago people. No surprises here, these are the people that simped to the hacks that wrote GoT´s season 8.
YOU don’t really know what you’re talking about, if your narrative consists of only one thing: victimhood, it’s neither an exciting nor really helpful narrative, especially because the same thing is constantly being shoved in your face, namely that you were a victim.
As for Sylvanas: Sylvanas was already highly nihilistic before her genocide and was generally very negative about life. Sylvanas is a victim and a perpetrator, but to say that it only started with her genocide is far too short-sighted, she was already highly nihilistic before that.
He didn’t say it started with Sylvanas committing genocide.
I would’ve been fine with the Horde getting away if atleast Sylvanas was brought to justice but… now that this isn’t happening I’d prefer the Alliance to not just forgive the Horde again.
The Horde shamans and druids that fanned the flames to make sure that as many as possible die surely knew what they were doing and they aren’t innocent. Sylvanas wasn’t even present up until Darkshore either.
The fact that the writers keep saying that they want to keep Teldrassil impactful (while also refusing to properly address it) makes it even worse.
That reminds me of a tangent. I’ve noticed for the past two Night Fae covenant callings that send you into Torghast, I haven’t seen that “go rescue 8 more unnamed night elves” quest pop up again, and I’ve kept a special eye on Ysera each time I initially took the calling and for the next two days before my lazy rump got around to doing them. Did Blizzard patch that out from being a repeatable quest?
That quest is completely random it seems.
Dude, THAT´S part of the point Baal is making: her development regarding her trauma was used as a vehicle to engineer her villain bat -and no, back in WC3 she wasn´t a suprememly inmoral nihilistic individual; as a matter of fact the “a-hole” tendencies just started to come to the light since the Arthas novel onwards.
This is a bad take on Sylvanas’s suicide and suicide in general, as others have pointed out.
I mean, to the point, the US has also failed to address Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Obama was the first president ever to visit the locations, and he only did so once, and refused to apologize or even be vaguely apologetic, and nobody has done so since.
Bar (in the sense real-life serves as a basis for fantasy) is on the floor, is my point.
To the risk of getting banned for making this comment, but it is me or this “dismissive” attitude comes as a result of a kind of “cultural” thing?
I mean admitting historical errors is difficult, as is admitting we inherit the effects of the sins of our fathers even if we don’t inherit the sins themselves.
We don’t have to atone for their sins to God, but we do have to atone for their effects to eachother.
The first Pope to state slavery was wrong was Gregory 16 in the 19th century. First Pope to apologize for the violence of the colonization of the American continent was I believe JP 2 in the 90s, over a hundred years later, and centuries after the fact
That´s a good point, then I stand corrected is NOT a “sort of cultural” thing. It´s a freaking aspect of the Human species -we and our Hubris-.
It’s because people don’t like internalizing the notion of communal responsibility. Less so now that Modern Labor is so violently individualistic and requires ladder-climbing, exacerbated by a political world order of Westphalian Nation-states that encourages the belief of “Eternal Countries” and “Permanent Borders”
have you ever visited vanilla undercity, sylvanas herself command the developement of the blight, and all this crazy stuff was under her watch thereafter.
I don’t know, only those who turned a blind eye and blue the other would not call Sylvanas’ position nihilistic. Even in the old sources that were valid from WOW-Classic to WOTLk, before Arthas Rise of the Lichking novel, like the Corebooks, described her as extremely nihilistic.
Do you think all people who commit suicide are nihilistic? Do you think all nihilistic people are suicidal? Do you think her despair that lead to her suicide somehow makes the subsequent tying of her villain batting to her trauma and suicide okay?
no? But Sylvanas is not “everyone”, sylvanas is sylvanas and She IS and was allways Nihilistic! Don’t project yourself onto the character, it’s that simple.
Because of trauma and abuse.
Don’t have crap suicide takes.
Stop excusing sylvanas and maybe i´ll stop have “crap suicide takes” 
Her Trauma stop counting in this moment she did the same thing to others. And she did that very early on.
I mean, her trauma is not an excuse for everything she did, it’s a reason why she became like that, yes, but not an excuse.
I also haven’t seen that quest repeat again since the first day I got it.
At least that resolves some people’s concerns over the feeling of never actually being able to rescue all the Night Elf souls because the quest seemed repeatable.