Yeah but on the plus side (for me), that’s just a little less screen time for Delaryn. 
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i agree, poor girl was killed for a cutscene then discarded like a used rubber.
i want her just to dissapear, like the rest of the undead nelves.
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You shut your filthy troll mouth! Delaryn was one of the best parts of BfA, I am totally not biased because I like the voice actress who did her voice… Nah, but seriously for me she was a great way of Blizzard introducing a character and letting us grow to care about them, at least I did. All through War of Thorns we got to quest with her and fight for Darkshore together, so I was sad to see her die in the warbringer.
Even more sad that she was raised as an undead and joined the people who murdered her. But I thought the parallel between her and Sylvanas was really cool so I hate seeing that they are taking that parallel away from her and giving it to golden boi Anduin.
Just chalk it up to another instance of Blizzard loving them Humans being front and center in the story! Never gets old!
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Admittedly this is a “red faction blinders” moment for me but there’s just no way Delaryn’s character will not be unsatisfying from my point of view. Not only is she a permanent reminder of BFA, but it’s basically redoing Sylvanas’s shtick that can only really go one of two ways, as far as I can tell.
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She rejoins the alliance anyway, and they get what was a horde concept done “right.” Yet again. And even if she did retaliate against the horde, welp; the faction deserves it anyway. No way to feel good about being put against a character like that. But this is basically what’s happening with Anduin.
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She stays in the horde, representing an unplayable forsaken model that’s an even further visual step removed than Sylvanas herself was, with the additional icky situation of the horde being her version of the scourge this time around where she has sided with the faction that did this to her. Ugh.
I suppose she could just go neutral (and this might be the more sensible option, come to think of it), but overall she feels like another stain on the story. Maybe she can make her own trip to Ardenweald and decide to stay there with Ferryn for a kinda-sorta happier ending.
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That’s the thing. They could have easily made her story parallel Sylvanas’ by having Delaryn come to the Shadowlands to hunt Sylvanas, have her get captured and be used as the Jailer’s tool, rather than Anduin. Then after whatever happens (whether Sylvanas gets killed or not) let her go to Ardenweald and have a relatively happy ending with her love Ferryn. Boom she is out of the story and her arc is wrapped up.
Instead I feel like Blizzard has stole her thunder so to speak by forcing this dumbass story with Anduin.
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i think they just suck at wrapping up stories because they want to have all this plots just in case… but they can only develop so many.
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No, it’s definitely because they want to force Anduin into the story as much as possible. He is just as much the writer’s pet as Sylvanas.
I just want both gone forever from the story so they can’t taint it anymore.
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you and me however this is a fools errand, anduin will be sticking around and i wouldnt hope sylvanas to die in the raid, i will wait for confirmation then ill decide how i feel since currently idc, if im shown a 4khd video of her being beheaded and her soul being converted to stygia, then ill believe shes dead for good.
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Unfortunately. He is the worst thing to happen to Warcraft, a complete narrative blackhole that sucks up the story and makes it bend over backwards just to fit his views and beliefs. I hate it as an Alliance player.
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Yeah but its not his fault they have a narrative hard on for him, i believe he still can be saved, that is if they put him trough the grinder, but for what i can see theyre still pussyfooting with his development.
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Assuming Denathrius had a key (not 100% sure on that front) it is logical to assume he would already have given it to Zovaal.
I agree. I can only see one way that redemption can come to her. If she sacrifices herself and dies a permanent true death it still would not redeem her. The scales still would have her as far more evil than anything else. And she would only be remembered as a monster. And if she just turns around and does one good thing, the scales are still horribly lopsided. She wouldn’t be good, and certainly wouldn’t be seen as good by anyone. The only real option would be Revendreth. Her sent there to spend the millennia being redeemed. So, we would not see the actual redemption in game, but rather the start of the path to redemption. (Oh, and she is gone from the game taking the logic and lore black hole with her.)
Sylvannas did it first, and did it more. Heck, the current Anduin arc has more to do with her than it does with him.
Don’t get me wrong, I agree there is to much time spent around Anduin. But Sylvanas is worse. 
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People don’t understand what redemption entails within a story, and Blizzard has confirmed through these quoted interviews that they won’t be attempting one with Sylvannas as they understand that she has committed crimes that need answering for. They literally said that a hackneyed redemption thrown at us through a single patch is not on the table, that it’s not the story they want to tell with her.
Yeah, they could be lying. But do they really want to chance that now after the backlash they received over BFA’s lies, when they are clearly aware players are weary of the idea of a “Draenor is Free!” moment for this character? That’s why these questions were asked and answered to begin with, to assuage player’s fears that the story will go down a trite and frankly disgusting avenue by attempting to ‘redeem’ a mass murderer and betrayer of her people with one patch, likely to be her final patch. The patch they are riding on as pay-off for years of this character’s story, years they committed to portraying her as a villain.
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But that interview says that her redemption won’t be easy and that she won’t just get a pass by doing 1 thing, so that means that she’ll get a pass after doing a few things?
Redemption is only mentioned as something that they understand cannot be achieved in a single action. That ‘she won’t be given a pass’ and that she’s ‘guilty of many deaths and still has a lot to answer for’. The fact that she’s a raid boss combined with the language used to frame her in the interview gives me the strong indication that she won’t be given a redemption in any capacity.
These things do not exist in a vacuum. We also have the entire build-up of Tyrande in Shadowlands that is laser focused on bringing Sylvannas to justice. All these elements combined leads me believe that they will confront one another in the raid.
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What does the phrase “It can’t be that simple” mean to you?
How do you use it in real life?
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I think you are taking it a bit further than they actually said. Yes, they indicated she has a lot to answer for. Yes, they did say it would not be an instant redemption. But, I don’t think they have taken redemption off the table. It just wont be simple and easy.
Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying they will do the redemption arc. But, I also don’t think we can rule it out either.
It is entirely possible that Blizzard’s choice will be:
*Sylvanas will get taken down, killed and have her soul destroyed.
*Sylvanas will have a redemption story that goes on over the next few expansions (God, I hope it wont. But I can absolutely see Blizzard doing it.)
*Sylvanas will be defeated and sent to Revendreth for the foreseeable future.
*Sylvanas becomes a reoccurring character leading forces of death in the cosmological war (they did make a point of telling us these forces don’t fit mortal morality, so I could see her as part of that amoral force. Don’t like the idea, but again I could see Blizzard doing it).
*Etc.
Yes, they don’t exist in a vacuum. You also have the choice cinematic end where you can see her struggling with it. Then the facial expression after Anduin is used by the Jailor. There is every reason to think Blizzard plans something other than a villain’s death for her. It may not end the way it really should.
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Let’s be honest. Any move they make will likely cause a backlash of some kind. It just so happens that a redemption out of left field would probably cause the greatest one.
Thing you need to remember is, that they can aware of how weary players are over other AU Grom scenario, but that doesn’t mean they will ultimately adhere to it.
Again, all the lies spewed during BfA make their words even less comforting, because to believe them now is just inviting disappointment.
To add, it also comes off as just legal BS talk enough that it skirts being a straight up lie. Same thing with BfA, same thing you’ll find in a lot big game title lead ups these days; Just enough vagueness to let the hype run rampant, while still giving devs the ability to skirt most legal action because hey, they said it might be like how it was pictured.
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It was a terrible idea, for all the reasons Sarm mentioned, and I’m glad if they are really jettisoning it (not just postponing it).
And hey, I liked Delaryn too, but I wanted her to survive and be the leader of the NE resistance. Not the new-and-“improved” Sylvanas.
Well I didn’t want her to be the new Sylvanas that was just the parallel Blizzard gave us, but instead of doing anything with her they just threw her into the abyss and made her and the other Night Elves join the very people that slaughtered them. Make that make sense.
Imagine if Sylvanas and the Forsaken after getting free will were like, “You know, Arthas wasn’t so bad, let’s join up with him.”
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You realize that Blizzard has a history of lying, right? Like, we have had threads about it here listing much of them.