I’ve been horde since classic vanilla. I hate alliance. I played horde anyway in wrath and the first season of cataclysm. I was at a relative disadvantage, but it was still playable so I happily still played my preferred faction.
Now the balance is completely out of hand. Double dragon soul trinkets was the final nail the coffin for the horde.
Equalizing factions isn’t just good for horde, it’s good for alliance too. Doing nothing but curb stomping noobs with no challenge is not an enjoyable experience, it gets old extremely fast.
Blizzard, you made your faction change profits in cataclysm. Fix your mess now. I already made the mistake of caving and giving you transfer dollars in TBC after months of inaction and neglect, only for one week later you to offer free transfers off dying servers anyway after most people already left. I was swindled by you and won’t be again.
The damage to the playerbase is already done. The devs should have used the legion version for wrath and ignored the tantrums.
Should have also maintained server pops and locked factions on pvp servers like they did in SoD. There’s nothing good that comes from lopsided servers, and they cause more player loss than the few who quit due to not wanting to wait for it to open up.
Have you been living under a rock? Horde have been complaining about the busted human racial since wrath. Alliance came out in droves extremely hostile to the suggestion of making them equal to the horde.
They’d come out and gaslight about TBC racials, when TBC had roughly equal faction representation at the top end of arena, with actually a slight advantage to the alliance due to how OP perception was for rogues. Private server data turned out to be nonsense as perception and stoneform were very competitive with hardiness and will of the forsaken. All the more reason why TBC was just a far superior version of the game.
I absolutely hate the idea of cross-faction grouping. But it’s so irreparably bad now I feel like there is no other option left. I don’t want to play any version of WoW past this expansion anyway, so I don’t even care anymore. I’ll be playing TBC and then classic+ after this anyway which won’t have these problems that need bad solutions.
I think people will come around to horde being the better pvp faction in mop. If I had more time to play i’d have liked to test my theory that horde was competitive in cata if you went full pvp gear route with high resil and just solid gameplay. I think high resi horde being a foil to alliance glass cannon is somewhat poetic, so I’d love to have results but nobody plays the game for fun anymore so you don’t see anyone doing other than fotm following the curve.
I more or less tested the same thing for myself in wrath, only playing casually and never raiding it was simple enough to play to 2400+ mmr by practicing vs certain comps and playing double dps for example.
My hope for MoP is people will come full circle and remember that orcs were the kings of OG MoP arena and then we’ll have more complaints until history repeats and things get nerfed, again.
Fingers crossed that WoD never happens but i also don’t want to play MoP forever so who knows.
I’m hoping for a legion classic myself… Legion was the best overall expansion the game ever did, imo. The only things I liked about og mop where the class designs and pvp.
Sadly, getting to legion would mean that we somehow have to cross through WoD… and ughh… outside of the highmaul coliseum 15-25 player FFA event from a lvl 3 gladiator sanctum, WoD was just awful.
Sure thing, then why were same faction BG’s created? Who cried the loudest? (horde). Due to faction stacking horde, which is undeniable that this happened.
You can reinvent whatever you want from the past but your complaints are just flat not gonna change anything.
Good job using insults instead of actually showing a point.
If you want meta, chase the meta. Racials aren’t being changed.
You change EMFH, everyone goes back horde and the issue persists, doesn’t solve the issue.
Educate yourself on the facts. Alliance had a slight advantage if anything, that horde had more people overall is not relevant. It was competitive to be alliance, and they had a perfectly sizable PvP community which is all that matters.
You have anymore logical fallacies and false equivalencies?
I’m the only one between us who actually brought facts and evidence, you have yet to engage with a shred of the evidence and just deflected from it.
That’s what you are doing. I linked you the arena ladder.
Now answer the question and quit deflecting. If horde is so much better at PvP in TBC, why do alliance have more teams at the top of the arena ladder?
If horde racials were so much better than alliance, why was win/losses roughly 50/50 in BGs during that time?
You can’t answer the question. You are dodging it, because you know you are simply wrong.
Horde pop being 55% is literally irrelevant compared to the above facts. If you can’t answer my questions, you cannot be taken seriously. You just want to be carried by glad players on alliance in BGs and curb stomp.
He had a point, and actual data supporting it, that you entirely ignored… Hence the concern that perhaps you where simply unable to read.
The delusional bubble you are trying to live in that exists outside of the scope of reality, combined with your desire to see half the playerbase actively punished for perceived slights in the past is beyond pathetic. Horde aren’t asking for alliance as a whole to suck or even be weaker… They’re asking for the one stupidly broken race on alliance to be brought back down to where everyone else in the game is, balance wise. Frankly every non human on alliance should want the same.
I’d add that you are grossly misunderstanding the scale of the issues present here… Go find a single pvp season where alliance didn’t have solid representation on the pvp ladders. Even at their worst they where pulling 25-35% of the top 400. That’s still far from ideal, but Horde are currently pulling 0.75% of the top 400. QUIT PRETENDING THESE ISSUES ARE EVEN REMOTELY IN THE SAME LEAGUE, LET ALONE SOMEHOW EQUIVALENT.
Racials and preconceived notions. People hear that horde is the PVP faction, which we should be able to agree was/is the long standing player view. (ready for you to disagree)
Monkey see, monkey do.
again, I did answer your main point.
Which so far, you have proven me right. You don’t care about balance, you want horde to be dominant again entirely in PVP.
“Things that don’t support my argument are unimportant.”
Sample and population sizes absolutely do matter when you care about the data you’re copy pasting.
So actual empirical data, and the reality of the PvP ladder, doesn’t matter, and only personal feelings? LOL. You are really reaching here.
In the literal title I even suggested removing racials from instanced PvP altogether. And nerfing wouldn’t even do what you say, because horde has nothing close to as OP as the human racial. There has never been a PvP season where alliance were not competitive.
You just want to stomp and be carried by glads. Admit it.
Your post, and the attempts at logic and deflection contained with them are the only insults being thrown around here. I suggest you apologize for them.
You refuse to listen to facts, logic, or reason, and offer nothing by way of actual rebuttals, beyond “I hate horde so I hope the game stays ruined for them”. Grow up.
I will be reporting every further post of yours for trolling. Please have the kind of day you deserve.