Epic premades are toxic and totally violate the social contract and terms of service

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1085

RR does not farm HK. If it feels like farming/taking too long, it means your team is spinning a GY flag (or Tower) and they can’t cap it or your team is strong enough for them not to advance quickly or at all.

RR is not BSG. BSG has the firepower and teamwork to mop up AV maps quickly. This wasn’t always the case. They used to GY farm, but have improved in that aspect at least.

Some communities have MANY leads, not just one. Some leads move faster and take risks which may cause loss of forward momentum if it goes south and have to start over. Some leads take their time as a safe strategy based on how hard opposing team is pushing.

Example: AV. If you are a tough horde team, Alliance should hold IBGY until it turns then push forward. That feels like 4 mins of farming to you, but it strategically is a good and safe move.

As for speed of wins, some communities, stack OP classes and only bring best players. (We know who does this) Others are play whatever class you want and have fun. Sorry if that extends games and forces you to PVP.

And yes. RR / DJL / AVA / AVM / SoD / SPM / Auggy Premades do lose to Pugs. It means that the pugs are organized and listening to their lead. Not sitting there whining in chat about

“OMG… a premade” and " premades the reason we lose"

Also, some premades still have in house members that don’t listen which causes slow wins/ losses.

Losses are mostly boiled down to:

A) People have no lead.

or

B) No one is listening to the lead and your team is fractured / not geared.

People in here whining about premades, try and lead pugs instead of just complaining and watch how many listen to your lead and how berated you will get if you lose. Need tough skin to be a lead.

With the introduction of the ping system, no reason pugs cant target call either. Learn to flank. Learn that higher ground has advantage. Watch for top DPS/Heals and focus them. Kill fire mages and druids ASAP. Learn to use choke points and for goodness sake, don’t stand in the fire ring.

In the end, if it is taking a long time for a premade to beat you, you should be proud. It means you are getting better at teamwork and if you play your cards right, you could win! Close games are MUCH better than any stomp.

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1086

Stop the cap, and stop the exploits. If you try to go into BGs with a single group larger than 5 and it gives you a NOPE. And you bypass the system to play with more “friends”. You are the problem, and an exploiter.

Exploiters have no right to tell others how to play when they can’t follow the rules.

Have a nice day.

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1087

Does it really take 14 healers to roll pugs? Sure, syncing up as a premade is one thing, but bringing 14 healers and all the meta specs seems excessive for just crushing pugs. Doesn’t that get boring? Besides, which Horde premade are you even up against at 3am? They’ve all called it a night.

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1088

I agree with a some of your points but not all . RR DOES farm . Was recently in an AV when we could have easily been overwhelmed at our base gate ,instead RR would pull back ( they had the GY’s ) and then push in a bit again . This continued till kills ran out

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1089

If this was at FWGY then that is likely because some horde teams form a solid choke there that is hard to break.

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1090

Yes u guys do

you guys don’t push lol

We don’t care about your high school drama, stop queue syncing

Hey guys I’m taking a bold risk ending this game early with my 6 mistweavers and 27 man raid

farm they farm, all of you leads can end an av with two towers yet you all insist on taking every tower and also retreating to backcap objectives when you could’ve killed the boss 20 minutes prior

I can name like 3 players that are objectively good, the rest are challenger hardstucks at best cmon now

No it speaks more to the skill level of ur premades that are ran by clickers xd

How about you stop queue syncing? This victim blaming routine u exploiters are doing is so cringe man, it’s like a billionaire telling poor people to “just save money lol”

Learn to play without exploiting

you typed this and had every opportunity to reread it and not hit send

Ugh

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1091

Thank you for your insight Elise. Have a wonderful day!

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1092

Another exploiter blaming pugs for feeling defeated before the gates open because they routinely get rolled by premades and are simply sick of it.

You complain about not everyone in a community’s premade not listening, you think pugs are going to have a better shot?

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1093

nobody is doing anything special that would count as an actual exploit.

its also important to remember that rules have to have value and merit in order to be followed. humans are thinking and reasoning creatures with an understanding that power and rules can become corrupted or abused for arbitrary reasons. therefore you need to rely on your conscience and sense of morality to determine which rules should be followed, which should be ignored, and which should be openly violated.

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1094

“purple person called me out on my nonsense :((((((((”

outta here, go post epic bg reflexes and whine about bsg in ur echo chamber of a discord instead of whatever it is u guys are trying to do now.

whats the error text say when queueing as raid btw

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1095

It’s funny that you’re talkin trash, because someone in RR said that you were looking to group up with folks in BSG. stop the cap. dont be a hypocrite like Gwiyomi

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1096

whoa, come on man… why bring her up drag her in this thread?

Elise doesn’t play with us against pugs. she occasionally plays with us when we wargame other communities but I can’t remember ever seeing her otherwise.

1097

i queue, we get pugs, i /afk out

but i queue like once a month cause everyone just dodges eachother

also why are u relying on people in RR to keep tabs on me LMAO I talk to exactly 0 of u

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1098

So you’re saying he is in a epic bg community? oh the hypocrisy. thanks for the info. :joy: :skull:

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1099

you legit have no clue what this means LMAO
edit forgot the joy emojis :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy:

1100

At the end of the day, Blizzard doesn’t care about pvp, all we’re doing is crying or complaining into the void. all these communities that run epics will continue to do so

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1101

She is the goddess of the void afterall lol. Also one of the main people on these forums complaining day after day. Just another day for they/them.

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1102

Instead of wasting time trying to get to honor level 3,000, the premades should be trying to bring WPVP back hardcore… Get all the ally and horde teams together for the most epic WPVP SW/OGR battles in warcraft history… Maybe people would stop being bored to death and unsubbing from being rolled in epic premades 24/7… These battles are 1,000 times more epic and memorable than just rolling alts and pugs in bgs all day… There were WPVP battles back around cata man… that if they were recorded and put up on YouTube would get millions of plays… mind blowing ones I’ve seen. Two hardcore multi-boxers from each faction in the battle with literally like 150 other players on each side supporting each of them… The old mage tower in Stormwind was glowing from the outside like a Christmas tree covered in light sabers from all the fighting going on inside… Like as epic as you can possibly even imagine… I haven’t seen anything like that in at least 5 - 10 years…

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1103 
exploit

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## [verb](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/verb)

ex·​ploit [ik-ˈsplȯit ](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exploit?pronunciation&lang=en_us&dir=e&file=exploi04) [ˈek-ˌsplȯit ](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exploit?pronunciation&lang=en_us&dir=e&file=exploi02)

exploited; exploiting; exploits

[transitive verb](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/transitive)

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**:** to make productive use of **:** [UTILIZE](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/utilize)

exploiting your talents

exploit your opponent's weakness

2

**:** to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage

exploiting migrant farm workers

Definition for you. Read number 2. To make use unfaily for one’s own advantage. So you are telling me because Blizzard said no more than 5 people grouped, and using ways to get around that is not exploiting the system to take advantage and play unfairly against those who do not do it?

The rules are set in place as part of a social standard to ensure fair and enjoyable gameplay for all users, not just your group. You agreeed to these terms and conditions when you hit accept to play the game btw. While you may see this as arbitrary, there are those of us who play within those binds and desire that universal gameplay and acceptance.

Play with a single team of 5 thats intended is no problem, playing with more, coordinating the bypass of the system in place, some groups utilizing toys and/or other methods in combination to lag fights to obtain an upper hand. Yeah, sorry that is just selfish abuse of the systems.

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1104

hey thats my line