But why are people afk or leaving in the first place, it is because the pre-made groups do this so often they probably recognize a few names and are like, “why even try?”
Point is EPICS used to be a place to chill and practice, now communities have turned it into just the opposite.
Yep.
When you’re constantly getting rolled by premades, the only reason for queueing for epics is the hope that some other unlucky group got saddled with them.
It’s not fun being constantly rolled. Not fun being farmed. Not fun stalling on character progression.
There’s zero reason for premades to be in epics as the conquest reward for multiple wins is pathetic, and honor is all but useless. They’re there to have fun at the expense of others by exploiting the game’s queue system.
Right… So if I’m one of these “great, NICE leaders 
" running a “Paindevice premade” on my main and I just happen to know around 35 glads and like 3 people that actually got to the semi-finals at Blizzcon and I’m like “hey GUYS!” you want to run some 40 man pres in epic BGS?” And now I take this group out <also fully geared, potted up and in coms> to go against 40 poor pugs and alts on the other side who aren’t in voice chat… How much fun is that going to be for the pug teams 24/7/365? If Blizzard designed the game to be like this 20 years ago, everyone would’ve uninstalled it. Even a 5 man group is pushing it but tolerable… If you’ve got 5 Plmcrzy/Thyraz types grouped up that qued together for a 40 man, those 5 can absolutely carry the entire group. But 40 people like that queuing together!!! 
C’mon man. To me, it takes the fun out of it so I don’t participate… It’s like hunting rabbits with an elephant rifle or a machine gun… kind of takes the sport, planning, cunning and 3-D Chess out of it by not facing an equal adversary. The “I GOT YA!! WE WON!!!” is much more fulfilling facing a team that thought they were absolutely going to roll YOU… < That’s the best of the best feeling; beating them… not rolling pugs and defenseless alts.
It wasn’t? I got confused because you said:
But I see now.
lost a lot of respect for Blizzard by letting these toxic premades exist in random bgs, how are people going to be able to learn pvp if there is not an avenue to do the learning without the toxic gong show of premades camping them full time, what a turn off to new players in Warcraft pvp , I swear the people running this game do not use common sense sometimes.
I restored Ronalvandy recently (and just deleted my Hordee warlock sadly…Hordees never last long with me /leSigh)…anyway, I Q’d into premade yesterday I think. It was an Alliance premade we rolled the Horde.
I had to speak up asking how that was fun. I noted the 10:1 kill ratio. At some point the poor Hordees weren’t even really fighting back. I’ve been there on both Horde and Alliance.
Anyway, that game, we won and it sucked. I can say the group was not one of those that says don’t cap final GY so they can GY farm in AV at Noob Hill. They capped it and downed the boss. But seriously, it sucked to win that.
I have no idea how anyone can find playing like that fun. Friggin weirdos.
But until Blizz does something and I have no idea what they can do that will allow for people to play with friends and prevents the q-syncers, it is what it is. They made Blitz, which will suck when it goes rated more than it does now I am certain.
Ehhh, I’m still Q’in epic bgs. I actually don’t mind fighting them, it’s like they are the bad guys. I don’t like it when they are on my team, though, feels like I am the bad guy…and it’s boring.
match premade with premade with their own instance or go to rated, should have been like this eons ago
What debating on a forum is arguing, is it? No, sorry not going down that rabbit hole with you.
Exactly this. I know the names to look for now and I just leave if they are present.
Can you please use some other term other than what you used? Playing WOW and getting beat is nothing like that. Thanks very much appreciated.
Ok, they are horrible people… I don’t know them IRL, I blame Blizz for taking no action. They spend more time on Classic, SOD etc than dealing with all the challenges in retail PVP.
Throughout the history of WOW and other games, players have always exploited, as you probably know. Blizzard need to be on top of it, unfortunately, Ion and his cronies have their eye on the dollar elsewhere and letting retail PVP go to the dogs.
well ya and you kept going several more times after me
you already did and continue to do so with others
Do you have an opinion? Do you give that opinion on these forums?
If you want to harass me on here about giving my thoughts, it won’t end well for you. So please give it a rest and aim your vitriol at someone else. Thanks very much.
you do this to others too tho , you constantly argue and go after people including me aswell as claiming were all the same people like yeah no ahaha.
Myself leaving a BG to not fight against a premade as a pug is something I do often and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it Fritz.
I would do it right in your face and smile as you get triggered and lose your mind
But no matter how many epics I AFK out of, I will never be as big of a cancer to PvP as you and the others that Epic Premade.
I like talking with you because we can have an amicable disagreement. People that already know everything can learn nothing new, you’re not like them and I hope I’m not.
hahaha…thanks for the genuine laugh
my goodness…ahahahaha
Did a regular battleground with Paindevice the other day on my hunter, and I have to say he can pump some damage.
BTW, I think we agree?
I agree with this statement.
This has been me this morning/this afternoon. I did about 10 epic bgs and 9/10 were premades from the SAME 2 GROUPS. My only option left is to find premades myself and idek where to look.
If all the pugs were to stop playing epics we might see them change, might I recommend regs or BGB? Premades need us, we don’t need them.