Except there’s a blue post so it isn’t a lie, but carry on with your trolling.
It’s simply recognizing and abusing a loophole knowing full well its side effect on other players.
And using the cognitive dissonance deflect of “the game allows you to drop a que” as a shield.
“I was given hands so clearly they are meant to strangle people” is basically the logical jump that is happening.
Maybe they gave you the option to drop que cause something came up while you were mid que and you could not take it. There could be a million possible reasons why they allow you to drop a que.
Just cause you have found a off the wall way to abuse a otherwise innocent feature doesn’t make it better.
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Your response contains several logical fallacies that undermine your argument.
First, you’re begging the question by assuming that sync queueing is an abuse of a loophole without providing any evidence that Blizzard considers it one. You’re using your conclusion—that it’s an exploit—as your starting point, which isn’t a valid argument.
Second, you’re using a straw man fallacy by misrepresenting my point. I never argued that “the game allows you to drop a queue” as a justification for any negative impacts. I stated that dropping a queue is a legitimate use of the game’s mechanics, which is different from what you’re accusing me of.
Third, there’s an implied ad hominem in your use of the term “cognitive dissonance,” suggesting that I’m refusing to see your point due to some psychological discomfort. This isn’t about questioning each other’s mental state; it’s about whether this practice genuinely violates the game’s rules.
Your edited response adds more logical fallacies. The analogy comparing dropping a queue to using hands for strangling is a false analogy—it equates two actions that are not remotely comparable: one is a natural function within the game’s mechanics, and the other is an illegal act in the real world.
You also continue to beg the question by assuming sync queueing is an “abuse” without evidence, and use an appeal to consequences by suggesting that any negative impact on other players automatically makes it an exploit. However, unintended side effects don’t inherently make a feature an exploit.
If Blizzard had intended to prevent this, they would have modified the queue system long ago. Just having the ability to leave a queue does not imply it’s meant to be “abused” or that using this function is inherently wrong.
If you want to make a convincing case, focus on providing concrete evidence or a clear statement from Blizzard that supports your claim, rather than relying on flawed analogies and assumptions.
TL;DR: Your argument relies on flawed reasoning and lacks evidence. Do you want a constructive discussion or prefer to stay adversarial?
Unfortunately, the sync queue “playstyle” is ruining epic bgs for everyone else.
You also have sync queue premade raiders avoiding other players who share their same “playstyle.”
There must be a misunderstanding.
Blizzard explained they don’t want organized premade raids in random bgs because it results in pug stomps and players are driven away from PvP.
Blizzard thought their explanation made their stance clear:
https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/7200052820-joinbattlefield-post-51-part-2/
But premade raiders read all that and thought they should continue bringing premade raids into random bgs.
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How do you do that when blizzard has released a total of 3 posts on the topic since like 2008. Each contradicting the last.
I think this is what the argument for syncing relies on which is that blizzard has not done anything therefore they take that as a green light to continue on mistaking inaction for approval.
They did modify it back in cata or wrath to curb premades. The change came with Greg streets post on the topic back then. However that didn’t stop people from immediately searching for an avenue to undermine the new system which they eventually found in que syncing.
Why should I believe if they modified it a 2nd time in a attempt for a group of players to get the message why would those same players not just work around it again like they did before.
Nah they are both using a tool available to you to do bad things that are among a million possible things you could do with that same tool. Choosing to use it for bad consciously.
What better argument is needed other then make the game fun and fair for everyone?
There’s lots of blue posts. But not a single one saying what you keep claiming.
Thanks for sharing the blue tracker post regarding the addon that automated syncing from back in 2012. It’s clear that Blizzard was against organized groups using addons to queue against random groups, as it created an unfair advantage. I agree with that position in principle. I fully support fairness in the spirit of fair competition.
However, the reality is that Blizzard hasn’t taken any concrete action beyond that initial stance. It’s been 12 years, and aside from releasing Blitz last year, they haven’t introduced any significant changes to address this issue. If this were truly a priority for them, we would likely have seen more substantial interventions by now.
Given that Blizzard’s actions haven’t gone beyond the blue post, it seems reasonable to suggest that players find a mode that suits their style—whether it’s solo queues, groups of 5, or syncing. The fact remains: if Blizzard felt more needed to be done, they would have made further changes over the past decade.
So, the real question isn’t about whether their stance is clear—it’s why they haven’t acted more decisively in the last 12 years to enforce it.
The fix could be so simple: just add Wargames and a premade vs. premade option in the PvP tab.
There are both those things… why do you keep lying?
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It seems you don’t know the difference between a Wargame and a premade vs. premade option in the random battleground queue. Wargames are custom matches that require manual setup between teams, while a true premade vs. premade queue would let organized groups face each other through the standard matchmaking system, similar to normal BG queues.
Calling someone a liar when you don’t fully understand what you’re talking about is pretty hilarious. Maybe take a moment to learn the difference before throwing accusations around—you’re just exposing yourself here, man.
Wargames exist. RBG’s are what blizzard intended to have premade vs premade. Stop with the excuses.
And now they achieve the exact same end result just without an add on now so?
Now they just manually create an unfair advantage that makes it so much better.
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Blizzard did more stuff for Ashran:
https://twitter.com/holinka/status/646509604638035968
https://twitter.com/holinka/status/646509965465616384
https://twitter.com/holinka/status/646510211453194240
https://twitter.com/holinka/status/646510398091362304
https://twitter.com/holinka/status/312067433181618176
(FYI, Holinka deleted all of his old tweets.)
Well, it takes multiple expansions to get one new bg.
I think we can all acknowledge random bgs haven’t been a priority for Blizzard.
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Did you read what I wrote? I know they both exist, but the idea is to make Wargames and a premade vs. premade option easily accessible via the PvP tab. We’re looking for solutions here; I’m not your enemy.
Tone and clarity are important in making convincing arguments. A more constructive approach might help you communicate your point more effectively.
They are extremely easy to use. You are just making excuse. There is no argument, I am stating facts, and you are trying to put me down because of it.
It sounds like you’re feeling defensive, but there’s no need for that. I’m not trying to put you down; I’m just pointing out that the current options could be made more accessible to improve the experience for everyone. It’s not about excuses—it’s about finding solutions that work for a wider range of players.
If you have ideas for making it better, I’m open to hearing them. Let’s keep the focus on constructive discussion rather than assuming bad intentions.
Yes. Ban the people abusing the exploit and fix the exploit.
Then stop claiming I am having “childish tantrums” among other excuses.
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The problem with your solution is that it’s not enforceable—that’s the bottom line. Even the blue post linked by Snowcrest shows that banning or fixing the “exploit” in the way you suggest isn’t a viable option. It would be more helpful to consider alternative solutions, perhaps something that’s a compromise or an outside-the-box approach.
I’m both a pugger and a sync premader, though mostly a pugger with a friend or two. I genuinely understand your frustration from a pugger’s perspective. But calling people liars or making assumptions about them just because they have a different viewpoint isn’t productive.
If anything, I’m rooting for you, but I can’t support your position if all you do is complain without considering other options that might actually help—like making friends or organizing a group to play with. After all, this is an MMO.
It is, Blizzard simply needs to do there job.
I have considered plenty of options. Just none would work. If you don’t punish a crime, why would people stop doing the crime?
I don’t know. Maybe you should try pugging with me sometime, but I expect you not to quit when we face a group that looks like a premade. It really makes a difference when you stick it out and play as a team, even as pugs.
I don’t quit. But that doesn’t make what they are doing ok. I have even won vs sync premades. Still should be fixed. If you want organized pvp go play the mode, they made for it. Do you not want new players coming in? Because sync exploits are driving new players away.