Hated.
Hated.
That mechanic.
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wrong, he thinks if void torrent cast time scaled with haste, it would be less damage. and he would rather sit there channeling void torrent for 3 secs.
That is 100% wrong. because if haste lowered the cast time the tick rate would go up and the damage would be the same in a shorter window giving you MORE time to do other things.
so yes what he is saying is wrong.
Yes, and sitting there channeling void torrent for 3 seconds is a reason why.
Wrong, we have some of the most cc in the game, we have silence, stun, fear, mind control, horror on vampiric touch dispell.
What are you talking about giving up? Giving up what?
It would be the same damage per second, but less total time.
Ok let me make the numbers REAL simple for you.
Letâs say you have 100% haste. On the dot. Thatâs half durations of casted / channeled spells, and double tick rates of dots.
Say Void Torrent does 150 damage over 3 seconds. So 50 per second. At 0% haste.
Then at 100% haste (Remember, that means we double the tick rate), it would do 300 damage over 3 seconds. 100 Damage per second.
Now letâs do it the other way, letâs make void torrentâs duration scale with haste.
Now we have 150 damage over 1.5 seconds (Half the channel time), 100 dps again.
But wait⌠thatâs half the damage?
If you would like to play as if void torrent had a hasted channel time, simply cancel the cast whenever you feel like it should have ended. Is it less damage? Yes, demonstrably. Do you seem to care? No.
wrong, it would do 300 damage in 1.5 secs.
wtf donât you understand?
And you donât even know how much haste would affect it if it ever did.
But we are going off of your math here, that reduces the cast time to 1.5 seconds.
Again, you either get half the channel time or double the damage. YOU DO NOT GET TO HAVE BOTH.
Go cast mind flay on a training dummy and count how many times it does damage. (Hint, itâs 6)
Then take off all your gear and do it again. (Hint, itâs still 6).
For it to behave the way you want it to, it would need to scale with haste on two different axis.
Yes weâre going off how haste works in game. I assumed since we were talking about World of Warcraft then that would be most appropriate.
Wow, bro has finally actually said something that is right for once.
Haste on most casters with a channel reduce the cast time of the spell while keeping the amount of ticks the same, so if its 5 ticks in 5 seconds it becomes 5 ticks in 2 .5 seconds. the damage is the same but in less time.
we learned this 20 yrs ago.
So haste should have 2x value when calculating the DPS of Void Torrent?
I guess if thatâs what you believe what youâre asking for would achieve then youâre not wrong. Just delusional that that would ever happen because it is not how any other spell works in the entire game.
Channels get shorter, they do not gain ticks and get shorter.
The choice is between increasing the tick rate or reducing the channel time, and one of those is objectively better than the other.
Haste on most casters with a channel reduce the cast time of the spell while keeping the amount of ticks the same, so if its 5 ticks in 5 seconds it becomes 5 ticks in 2 .5 seconds. the damage is the same but in less time.
we learned this 20 yrs ago.
Ok so letâs extrapolate this out.
5 ticks in 2.5 seconds, so if it still lasted 5 seconds. It would tick 10 times.
100% haste again, doubles tick rate. So we start at 5 ticks over 5 seconds and we double it toâŚ
10 ticks over 5 seconds. Oh look itâs the same!
But the first one is only 2.5 seconds long, so we have to fill the 2.5 seconds we lost with other stuff. Stuff that is worse to cast than being able to still channel void torrent.
No, the ticks STAY THE SAME, so if it lasted 5 seconds itâs 5 ticks over 5 seconds.
If itâs 2.5 seconds, itâs 5 ticks OVER 2.5 seconds.
Letting you do other stuff.
WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT OF HASTE IN THE FIRST PLACE, IT IS TO REDUCE THE GLOBAL COOL DOWN SO YOU CAN PRESS YOUR BUTTONS MORE OFTEN AND âDO OTHER STUFFâ
you may want to sit there and channel void torrent for 3 seconds straight, i donât . i want to cast flash heal , power word shield, void swap, or even just spam mind spike to stack mind trauma and generate insanity.
Especially since our top damage is devouring plague NOT void torrent.
the heck you even complaining about bro, void torrent isnt even meant to be fully channelled in pvp anyways most of the time. itâs just a convenient way to get mind trauma stacks when fully channeled anyways
if it scaled with haste in terms of channel, you will still cancel it early a lot of the time anyways since itâd be like a 2.5s channel or so aka still long
complaining? i got some kid arguing with me that void torrent is bad if it scaled with haste.
huh?
You should be trying to get a full void torrent off whenever you can, YOU NEVER cancel it. wtf?
it does scale with haste, just in a different way where itâs basically fine.
this is why youâre perma rival. stop speaking. âbut im 2400 in shuf-â ya no one cares, play a real bracket you are nothing.
ha, especially now. does barely any damage, hence why itâs being buffed on beta and stated as such, and itâs seldom worth using insidious ire due to how easy it is to stop. mind trauma stacks? cool man, use it to bait out kicks, and start mind spiking. not like you wanna mind blast anyways so dead button lol
Multi legend is perma 2100?
Thatâs why you have 0 legends.
Bro go beg ppl to play with you in LFG, your higehst in ss is 1800, your a paid carry.
Ill play the skill mode where no one can carry me.
Your highest is 2500 in 3v3, im 2900. night and day difference in skill.
do not tell someone infinitely better than you how to play.
Not like you wanna mind blast? WHAT?
i feel sorry for whoever carries you in 3v3.
begone random peasant, no one will ever know who you, while everyone knows who i am. get destroyed.
legend LOL legend LOL
ok now play the bracket that isnt inflated to by 10x easier good luck
ya in terms of cast priority, itâs basically last between keeping up dots, mind trauma, cc, etc. itâs does nothing. barely any damage.
So why is 3v3 highest rating always higher than solo shuffle if itâs so inflated?
wow get destroyed again kid.
The easiest bracket would be the one that you can climb the highest in.
highest shuffle is 3k, highest arena is 2900? lol youâre not smart. hence why youâre perma rival
anyways:
imgur(dot)com/a/oPDFXeg
mind blast is an awful spell seldom worth pressing. 
Jesus, this is probably one of the most toxic people Iâve seen here in a while.
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i was summoned to put some monkey in his place, i hate the class forums itâs just full of the worst people imaginable