Entropic Rift must be maintained to see it grow in magnitude and duration.
OG Void form must be maintained to see it grow in magnitude and duration.
Void Blast is basically Void Bolt.
Can someone please tell me why they didnt just name Entropic Rift Void form and center it on our character as a form instead of making it some arbitrary similar rework thing but visually different? Especially since they have no intention of giving it a “pull in” mechanic like their tooltips said and it actually gets in the way of Void form and casting void bolt because its so similar in identity and rotation it takes its spot?
Like im facepalming here. It’s literally just their next voidform rework but they decided to separate it for some reason.
Do you know what they couldve done instead?
Use it as a Reworked Void Form or Reworked Dark Ascendance form (depending on what you are specd into)
Void Torrent Initiates this new [Void Form] [Dark Ascendance Form] (depending on what ur specd into) that lasts 10 seconds. Enemies that are afflicted with dots suffer (80% of Spell Power) Shadow damage every 1 sec.
Void Form/ Dark Ascendance Form upgrades Mind blast into a corresponding ability
Void Bolt for Void form
Whatever for Dark Ascendance.
[both increase its duration by 1 sec up to 5 sec]
Everything else can stay EXACTLY the same and we all win.
Class FANTASY SAVED. Mechanics gorgeous.
Change the Size increase to tweaking damage number increase.
It was literally there on the table for them.
(I am not saying bring back the old insanity mechanic, Im just saying this reads as a void form rework and rather than being added as a void form rework, it was called Entropic Rift)
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With OG Voidform, it was terrible in PvP because you can get locked down and waste your Voidform every time easily preventing 0 damage output from you.
With this Entropic Rift, you can at least get it out and doing something even if you get locked down after you activate it. You still need to be able to play and press buttons to make it last longer and grow and deal more damage. But you are not completely locked down and it’s tight windows of uptime in duration extension won’t allow linear scaling that’s easy to maintain in the beginning and then ramps up over time causing your base form damage to be reduced for balancing that OG Voidform had as a very problematic feature.
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I meant the mechanic of extending a event, (rift / form)
I know we will never get back OG void form, Im not saying I want that.
Functionally Im saying this couldve been added as just a form… Would function almost identical to how they’ve already set up Entropic Rift.
But with none of the drawback of all of this where the Rift ends up nonsense or expanding its size relative to enemy placement.
If it’s tied to the cooldown and you need to press button to maintain and extend it, then you get extra punished when you are locked down during that window more so than currently.
They can still lock you down, but with the following mechanic, they will have to move or take damage to lock you down. It comes at a cost in this form instead of an easy press button and make Shadow Priest fall over with no risk.
I’m just focusing on the idea that it’s going to happen regardless if you are not able to press buttons after you activate it compared to OG Voidform, you are completely trashed and never able to recover because of the draining mechanic effectively making you waste your cooldown doing absolutely nothing.
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Yes I agree, once again im not debating Void form Insanity mechanic.
Im saying they shouldve made Entropic Rift the new Void form. Because that’s what it essentially is.
Wait, so you mean you just don’t like the trigger to be based on Void Torrent? Is that it?
You would rather the Entropic Rift effect to occur when activating your cooldown power up vs a cooldown damage spell?
No.
Im saying , Replace [Entropic Rift] with [Void Form] Since its basically the same thing.
Everything Functions the same.
Void Torrent Initiates Void form.
Mindblast becomes Voidbolt/blast
Voidbolt/blast extends by 1 second up to 5 seconds
Same thing,
just rather than a [Rift] its a form. Enemies that have our dots receive the damage instead of where the [Rift] would be located.
This Thread is just saying [Entropic Rift] Is just a convoluted [Void Form] Rework, that’s stepping over itself by trying to be a little different.
It is a good opportunity to give Players the Class Fantasy they wanted.
Dark Ascension Form
Void Form
That’s the issue. If the dots are not applied or dispelled while in your cooldown state and you get locked down, any pressure you have is now gone.
With Entropic Rift now, once you activate it, it can’t be shut down. It has to run its course. So it will chase down your enemies and deal damage even if you’re sitting in a Polymorph.
But if you used Void Torrent to activate your cooldown and you get all these new enhanced damage and abilities like Void Blast, it does you no good if you can just be shut downed without recourse.
I think Entropic Rift being its own spell that can follow a target and is unable to be removed is one of the quality aspects of it.
You could potentially win a fight when the rift goes off dealing a burst of damage even while you are a sheep. Where as now, they can just sheep you and recover because dots are not that scary unless we are free casting our other spells.
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It is better for me, to make spells and caster magic that just my character change the form, i cant even notice my character in some fights while that void is amazing
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i am keeping an eye on priest because of the poop they are dropping in all specs.
Anyone with a clue pretty much will understand this is a weird attempt to bring back a little of that bfa gameplay.
The changes have pros and cons.
My biggest one is pretty much making be throw out my Voidtorrent casually instead of saving it for big hits during openers.
So now I am pretty much just gonna have it silenced /kicked 247 in PVP. Thanks blizzard.
and if I don’t use it? Well then spec won’t even activate so yeah…
What could they have done instead?
- Reworked Void Eruption (for shadow) and dark ascension (for disc)
- remove it from the talent tree
- Rework both abilities p-- meaning void eruption no longer grants you a lame form. It functions completely differently. That is what reworks are supposed to do.
will they do this? Hell no. Look how lazy these talent trees are.
The only Plus I give them is Beautiful art rendering and Spell visual. The theme is nice and fits well. Huge win.
Mechanics however, Dog potato.
At least its better than the archon and oracle I guess.
However. Lets see if this expansion is the one that makes me go from pirest to shaman as main for once <.<
if that happens, that’s saying something.
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reading this post reminds me of how much I miss the old legion void form with lingering insanity and surrender to madness, although i know it wasn’t very popular. Maybe one day they’ll give us an option to have that playstyle again as an option
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Entropic Rift can also be considered a new dot, which is something VE barely interacts with.
Don’t tell me this is some type of stationary ability? As in cast it at a location and deals damage to enemies in its radius?
It follows the target, if they’re slowed as well it’ll work well enough. Realistically the actual power of the rift comes from the 10% damage bonus while it’s active (Doesn’t matter if the target is in it or not) and access to void blast which hits like a freight train.
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I like it more than Voidform tbh. It gives a nice voidy looking and feeling change far more frequently than 2 minute Voidforms.
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So are you guys pooling your mind blasts before void torrent? I never seem to have charges of void blast maybe they can give a talent that refreshes stacks of mind blast as you channel VT
It does seem like like a different flavour of the same mechanic. I personally am not a fan of short windows where my spells do damage and then do little once the window closes.
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My main frustration is how long the Void Torrent channel is when it’s ideally cast on, or nearly on, cooldown. It’s not a new thing since it’s been a problem all expansion, but Void Torrent really does need some kind of change. The long channel made perfect sense when the whole ability was about prolonging your Voidform and you’d use it for that specific purpose, but with that purpose long gone it’s just a Pyroblast we need to hard cast every 30 seconds that haste scales on damage rather than cast time.
Setting aside all my gripes with how priest is handled, one easy win that costs Blizzard nothing would be to change Void Torrent to scale channel time with haste rather than damage.
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Would that be specific to Void Torrent? Or all channels?
This would definitely cause some interesting effects for Mind Flay if that also changed in this manner.
Then we have to ask the question… what about other channeled spells in the game outside of Priests?
Interesting non the less to ponder over.
To be clear…
My point was that I am not sure if you can adjust a channeled spell to scale differently than other channeled spells. I would assume they are all under the umbrella of “channeled spell” and as such having Haste affects all channeled spells the same globally regardless if its a class spell or not.
If Void Torrent’s duration scaled with haste it would do no damage. Bad suggestion.