I agree.
Like if fury tanks think they can roll on tank gear , then does that mean prot warrior tanks can roll on dps gear?
I am so glad my girlfriend rolled a priest and I don’t have to put up with all the whiny witches that showed up in this thread. She encourages me to two hand tank, and never complains. We get insta-groups and get our dungeons done faster than the crybabies.
Normalized instant speed attack damage for daggers is
normalized_damage = base_weapon_damage + (1.7 * Attack Power / 14)
Dagger normalization is the least damage of any normalized weapon… not that that makes them bad for tanking (which is not at all what I was arguing).
My approach is I’ll need on the spec that I am participating as. I’m an arms warrior but if I’m tanking I’ll need on tank items, and if I’m DPSing I’ll need on DPS items, but if I’m doing one and the other type drops, I’ll see if anyone else needs and need if they don’t if it’s an upgrade for that other spec.
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He shouldnt be tanking Mara, and having him run at the expense of the healer is messed up in a pick-up group. He lost the same amount of health per hit as the warlock.
Bad tanks need a sheild. He would probably still have aggro problems at 51, and I am not blaming any weapons.
But also, heroic strike isn’t considered an instant attack. So it is not normalized, which is why you’re seeing good numbers with it.
I am so glad my girlfriend rolled a priest and I don’t have to put up with all the whiny witches that showed up in this thread. She encourages me to two hand tank, and never complains. We get insta-groups and get our dungeons done faster than the crybabies.
Maybe you are just a better tank than the average. Just because you are not experiencing this problem does not mean others are not… that is the definition of being ignorant.
Aye, normalization was just to nerf instant abilities. Rage generation though, 1.6 seems to be the sweet spot, my daggers at 1.5 so lets me stack rage quickly even when avoiding a lot of attacks. Far better rage then my 2.20 sword(even with human racial) with same DPS.
Yeah the general pattern is this:
Faster weapons do a bit better at white attacks and non instant attacks, slower weapons hit harder with the instant attacks. That is why slower weapons are better fury main hands (for bloodthirst damage) and faster weapons are nicer offhands, for rage generation and frequent overpower procs.
Also why slower weapons are better for 2H arms pvp, you wanna hit like a truck with your mortal strikes.
That’s how it should be! Agreed.
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Im so glad I have a friendly group of people who take things the right way at a reasonable pace instead of some adhd zoomer mentality thats plagues classic
Zoomer carries a racist dogwhistle connotation in my mind because of it’s common usage by racists on 4chan, just fyi some people will have a negative reaction to that terminology.
At level 17 you could probably tank with a fishing pole and be fine.
It’s cute that you think I’m actually level 17, Mom. 
I can’t imagine why I would think that…
I tested this out last night. Our healer said I was taking the same damage using my two-hander as I did with sword and shield. I was also tanking in arms spec. We were doing SM cath last night. Also there is a dual wield tanking build at end game for warriors.
EDIT: I didn’t realize how long this post was. Im sure a lot of people already said what I said. lol
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I tested this out last night. Our healer said I was taking the same damage using my two-hander as I did with sword and shield. I was also tanking in arms spec. We were doing SM cath last night. Also there is a dual wield tanking build at end game for warriors.
Your healer was okay with you tanking with a 2H, and therefore said that. They clearly did not investigate any further, considering it defies mathematics for you to take the same amount of damage without a sheild, unless you were to do the comparrison in a very unscientific manner… for example… judgement call based on health bar when we pull the next pack… hardly a conclusion you can trust.
Also, just because there is a build for something does not mean people will be good at playing it. These warriors are being called entitled because they are putting very little effort into making 2H or DW tanking work. Just because hardcore players with in and out knowledge of the game can DW with their hardcore guilds where they have hardcore healers and dps who all know exactly what they are doing… hardly makes it optimal or even viable for the greater community.
Trash pulls are so much easier with a 2hander. Sweeping strikes+cleave+whirlwind= everything attacks me and they die very quickly. Enemies dying quickly = I took overall less damage and the dps still has mana for next pull. It works. I have done it lots. Get over it. At close to 60 I will change to prot when things start to get difficult.
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The enemies are not dying that much faster just because you can cleave with a two hander. Is it more damage, sure. Are you doing more damage than you are taking? I highly doubt that. You are missing vital armor and blocks that significantly increase your damage taken, coupled with the fact that most 2H Warriors spend way less time in defensive stance, some baddies often even going beserker stance.
Protection at 60 is totally fine, but I would consider at least picking up a sheild once you start getting into Mara+. It is not necessary if you have a guild run or are going at it with friends, and perhaps YOU are capable of juggling damage done and damage taken. That does not mean everyone will have as good a time.
Do things die much faster when I am tanking and am still the 2nd if not 1st highest dps in most my groups? You bet. 4dps=faster than 3dps derrrr.
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