Enhancement shaman xd

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enhancement rlly needs defensive help

groundings current iteration is obnoxious i know
shear is obnoxious i know
enh damage is beyond fine, very very competitive

but even with access to something like 18% vers and all of those tools enhance just dies flat out
damage is so high across the board and enhance is so squishy it’s extremely difficult to ever wanna play it over dk in any situation

in my mind, feral lunge should be baseline
grounding should absorb one spell
and root needs to come back and even then i think enhance would still need shamrage or a passive dk-esque stam buff to be competitive again but those would be very very good starts

i can absolutely agree some specs make the game worse in general and most people would like to see them less than competitive

  • rdruid for example always makes the game EXtremely slow

  • ele shaman always makes either dampeners prevalent or just randomly does 100-0 damage

  • dks just invigorate the mongo melee cleave lifestyle

but all specs should be in some capacity competitive just my 2c

open to disputes and discussions with as little bias as possible ofc

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Enhance gets pooped on so hard lol they really need some love, agree on the grounding, I think they could use old astral shift or something (what was it… shift for 4 sec into the astral plane and be immune? idk) they need a way to kite melee outside of frostbrand.

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Why you gotta bring ele into this

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I really don’t know why grounding gets so much hate besides “it’s annoying”

Like on one hand people say damage is so high and nukes like gpyro/chaos bolt are overtuned

and in the same breath you want to nerf the few things in the game that are strictly defensive counters.

Aside from thunderstorm, enhance has as many tools as ele to kite melee and ele is always critically acclaimed as being able to kite melee so i don’t understand this.

Enhance also has a talent to become completely immune to phys attacks for 15s.

Shaman are generally squishy and always have been

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Current grounding is pretty lame. Aoe cloak of shadows for 3s? Eh… Make it 1s so that it doesn’t get wrecked my mini spells while still not being super ridiculous.

Ummm what? Have you played sham? Like maybe more squish than a mage but compared to a lot of specs/classes they were kinda tanky. It was the whole reason WOD turbo was so good…

Honestly this feels super important… Mobility suuuckkkssss… Waddling at a frost mage I’m wolf feels super bad. Feral lunge sucks, hence the other talents are always chosen. So give us this crappy mobility button, please :sob:

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I wish enhance had a castablewhilemoving6seconfstun. Enhance’s self heals are terrible compared to Ele. There’s a lot going for Ele that enhance doesn’t have and pretending they’re on the same playing field is kind of disingenuous.

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Give enhance swelling waves baseline? Spec fixed? Or Too mana intensive for that?

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Naw I feel like the self healing is okay (ret has stronger but that’s more their identity than ours). I think a huge part of the problem is mobility… I honestly feel like I waddle everywhere… I feel like I can kite melee okay but getting to anything is impossible :joy:

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Why should instant cast heals heal as much as casted heals?

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Because they cost a dps resource and you go OOM really quickly doing it. Why are you pretending there’s no cost to it?

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I’m not pretending but it’s still instant while ele’s is a cast.

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And vice versa? Enhance can hit lightning bolts that crit as hard as stormkeeper bolts every 8s, wtf is your point.

When talking about kiting and survivability the 2 are fairly similar except enh healing surge gets taxed for being instant.

You talk about it costing a dps resource but maelstrom is hilariously easy to generate as enhance while ele has close to no passive maelstrom generation outside of totem mastery and a 2.5m cd.

All this doesnt matter when the post was about kiting and shaman survivability as whole, why would you bring up lasso

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Bring back 2h enhance

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is this a legion mindset? root/gust/thunderstorm/frostshock and the fact that 90% of eles damage comes from ranged instant casts is why ele is notoriously cancerous for melee

half of those abilities dont exist and more and i would be shocked to hear a melee say they cant stick to an ele without a mage on the eles team

3 second cloak of shadows is disgusting and requires very little to no thought
the problem with asking for ‘fixes’ in most situations is that a ton of specs have very very unhealthy mechanics in this current time

if enhance got the defensive buffs i ask for
sham rage, root totem , baseline feral lunge , and a stam buff / mana nerf revert
it would only bring to the surface how bad current grounding totem is for the game

so when you propose changes you have to look at the positives and negatives because overall i want the game to be better i dont just want enhance to be fotm and i dont want to play something with gross overtuned cheesy mechanics
and i think a vast majority of players would agree with grounding is currently ‘reward4nobrain’

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stop calling it 3s cloak because it soaks spells that’s so annoying, the fact that both absorb spells is where the comparison ends completely.

Requires little thought? So you can’t even just bait out grounding totem? its always available and can be used on reaction to every spell?

The argument for grounding totem is always “herp derp aoe cloak” and never even challenged that it has 5hp or only lasts 3s or that it can be baited.

Cloak can be used on reaction and prediction and can be used far more aggressively from a class that inhibit you even further, grounding is almost always defensive.

Its really not “bad for the game” this sht jus gets regurgitated and its closest comparison “spell reflect” isn’t purely defensive and doesn’t get nearly as much attention.

Take away grounding and give shaman more offensive options/more mobility/more control. The class is based on strong utility and more homogenization is what is actually bad for the game.

Lets just give enhance another bland damage reduction cd, another charge added to the game stam and mana is your fix which can just be applied to every class.

I’d prefer the game be reverted to when classes had uniquity and strengths to bring said class instead of just bringing everything to the same spectrum so that it boils down to “who does the most damage, while living the longest”

Which is why i don’t know why you bothered to mention them?

After ele and enhance got pruned they basically boil down to having nearly the same abilities to kite with save for tstorm both enhance/ele have the same GW, same GW talents, both have a ranged slow and earth bind so I don’t get why everyone likes to say ele is so good at kinding but in the same breath enhance can’t.

Instead of tstorm enhance has a sprint that clears slows while also having strong instant cast ranged abilities in overcharge, ascendance, and sundering.

Ele actually has to cast a lot to get the maelstrom necessary for their instants to be “notoriously cancerous”

Idk whats even being argued, all I said was that ele/enh currently have similar abilities to kite. With one spec being called good at kiting melee rn while the other isn’t oddly

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nobody says that

you’re the only one that says that

i have literally never heard anyone say that since legion

i play nearly every melee spec ive played nearly every melee cleave / wizard hybrid available and have never once heard or thought ‘man ele is so good at kiting melee’

idk what your challenger friendship club of melee players is saying to you but they’re wrong

enhance in the past with root even without eles tripled up toolkit (gust/thunderstorm/frostshock) was extremely good at kiting melee
ghostwolf is still very powerful yet mostly irrelevant against dh/dk/rogue/fury/bfa instant cast wizards which is where root would be ground breaking

at the end of the day 1200 points higher than your cap i can ground the entirety of stormkeeper, i can ground every sp silence, or every hoj or, or every trap, every important poly even against sub teams pre grounding cheap

i still just randomly die

worldofwarcraft . com/en-us/character/shattered-hand/Static insane bias btw 1800 ele lmao

nobody said remove grounding totem, i dont want want anything pruned i want if anything more abilities
just dont make it so casual friendly it’s just beyond frustrating to play against
additionally most (not this moment) ele metas also come with rsham being a very solid healer and rsham/ele/x teams where 35% of the time aoe cloak of shadows is active is beyond a joke

grounding grip/kick/hoj/trap/poly ect is iconic and very skillful
grounding being a cloak of shadows or blanket is just lame and overall one of the more unhealthy changes the games seen over the years

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