Yeah for sure. PvP servers are already the most populated in classic and other versions
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and theyre just as populated as Warmode… on active servers.
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Exactly, and no, war mode is not on active servers. Maybe during the sparks quest for reset on Tuesday but other than that… lol no.
Dude you don’t even play in War Mode. You likely sit in Orgrimmar all day.
I know from playing on both RP shards and non RP shards that War Mode is very active at the moment. Every crate I go to as Horde in my normal shards always has 40-50 Alliance at them.
RP shards such as on Wyrmrest Accord have a solid 20-30 Alliance at crates. There’s always people to kill in the new zones.
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My main is on Firetree which is high pop. Idk why it’s a ghost town in war mode. I can’t do the war mode quests because there are practically zero horde to kill.
Never have I ever heard of a server called Firetree until today. 
Found the problem. You’re on a weird, never heard of realm but you’re also Alliance. Alliance outnumbers Horde by far lol. That’s the equivalent of playing on an Alliance dominated PvP server and complaining there are no Horde to kill.
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FYI, those are free-for-all.
On a side note, I never heard of Firetree either until just a few minutes ago when I killed a Horde Firetree player in Mereldar. 
So they may be few and far between, but they’re out there.
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This is 95% of the servers.
And no I venture out when I want. Certain servers, yes you have more people out, but most of them its dead. Its nothing like WoD or even BFA.
The fact remains war mode keeps players from actually being out in the world and or safe. Ending war mode and having some pvp servers will have a lot of players flock to it. Pointing fingers and saying haahaaa dead server does no good here.
I made this thread so that we can discuss why war mode is terrible and how to do better, not debase other people cause you dont agree with them and post rude stuff.
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You literally have several other people here telling you that this is a you problem (i.e skill issue.) and that War Mode for their servers are fine and active. Crazy to say, “95% of servers are dead” when you only play on Emerald Dream and aren’t even seen playing on Emerald Dream even by those who play on your same server.
Except it’s not War Mode that keeps players from being out in the world, it’s sharding.
It honestly just sounds like you’re a doom and gloom type of person, because you continue to ignore all the facts that were previously brought up:
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It’s not a War Mode issue, it’s a sharding issue. Everybody here so far is in agreement that sharding should be reduced to make the world feel alive.
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World PvP was already dying before War Mode began because of cross realm and sharding (and extreme faction imbalance on servers like Sargeras or Bleeding Hollow!). People were already avoiding and opting out of PvP servers before War Mode even started. War Mode just standardized what people were already doing.
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Bringing back PvP servers isn’t going to change anything. You’re still going to have people who will opt out by doing what they previously did when PvP servers were a thing, which was being invited by someone on a PvE server.
And this is a public forum and people disagreeing with you isn’t debasing. You’re going to have people who dont share in your opinion.
From what this thread started as, your problem seemed to be that you didn’t like War Mode because you felt it killed WPvP. You complained about not being able to find people, and other people tried to give you suggestions because they had the opposite experience.
You pretty much threw out all of those suggestions because you’re set in your belief that War Mode killed WPvP, but you’re ignoring the facts previously brought up. You’re a nostalgia chaser. You want to go back to “the good ol days” and believe that PvP servers are going to “fix” WPvP, but it won’t because the problem isn’t War Mode, it’s sharding.
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Well…
Warmode let’s people opt out of it when they don’t want to be actively doing Wpvp. Maybe a weekly war mode cooldown would be better. Like if you’re burned out on Wpvp you can turn it off but you can’t turn it back on (or off) for a week.
There needs to be a sort of permanence that forces people with war mode, to be dedicated to it for more than just when they want to gank. For the good of the game, you have to also be questing so other people have someone to gank.
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People were already opting out of PvP servers though before War Mode was a thing like I already said…
When cross realm zone was introduced in MoP, people would just realm hop onto a PvE server. They’d get invited by someone on a PvE server and gg, they’re no longer on a PvP server.
This continued all the way through until they officially added War Mode. And most PvP servers were extremely unbalanced in faction population.
When Blizzard added War Mode, they were just standardizing what people were already doing. They allowed them to just opt out of WPvP through War Mode because that’s what they were already doing, just with less extra steps.
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It did. Most people in this thread have seen that and agree.
This is lol… has nothing to do with the fact war mode kept people in safe areas away from being out in the world. You like your pve, thats cool, but war mode was a big failure.
There are plenty of players on ED, many sit in the cities however. You are entitled to your opinion and its of those that dont want pvp at all. Just more dungeons.
I agree. This is why we need a change to war mode at minimum, or pvp servers.
Ok, in this specific exchange I’m not trying to defend the previous system. I’m trying to suggest possible changes to the current system to promote Wpvp.
Conscription table with a “Sign on” or “Sign off” with a weekly cooldown. And a Wpvp rank that only goes up until you opt out then it resets to zero. Things to keep people opted in.
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Except it does? You’re over here saying that War Mode isn’t active, trying to say that it’s always dead when you have multiple people telling you it’s not dead and that their experience is the opposite from yours.
You have people giving you suggestions on what you could do if you’re finding your War Mode experience to be “dead.” And you’re ignoring those suggestions lol.
And again, ignoring the fact that even before War Mode, people would still sit in cities and people could still be safe out in the world by simply realm hopping to a PvE server, which, mind you, many people did MoP-Legion.
I do WPvP, not PvE. and Id be willing to bet I’ve done more PvP in these last couple of years since War Mode has been implemented than you ever have lol.
I WPvP’d so much on my Priest, Alphon, and doing the same amount of PvP on my Hunter now. Its very telling that you don’t do any WPvP at all when people on your same server have said they never see you out in War Mode.
I get that, but you were saying that War Mode’s flaw is people can opt out and stay out of WPvP. I was pointing out that people could already do that even before War Mode, and people were doing that on PvP servers. So, this idea that this is a factor for why War Mode “killed” WPvP is just wrong lol.
Sharding is killing War Mode. Sharding is killing WPvP. Not War Mode itself.
As for this, I wouldn’t necessarily be okay with a “cooldown” but rather I’d like to see players rewarded for staying in War Mode as opposed to simply having War Mode enabled.
I’ve said this in the past, it’d work similarly to how you’re suggesting too, except it wouldn’t lock them out from turning on or off War Mode.
How it would work is, when you first turn on War Mode, you’d receive no bonuses. After about a week of having it enabled, you’d slowly start accumulating the War Mode reward bonus. Each week would increase the reward, up to a maximum cap. After having it enabled for 2-3 weeks without turning it off, you’d receive the maximum benefit. If turned off at any point, you’d be knocked down a reward tier.
This would, at the very least, incentivize people for keeping War Mode enabled. There could also be different rewards added for going out in the world and actually fighting too.
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This is part of the problem no doubt. But war mode in itself is why things are the way they are.
Yeh that’s simply not true, and in fact I have a lot more honorable kills than you do… lol. PvP check doesn’t lie.
Calm down and realize that war mode is flawed and it needs fixed or removed. Being mad at other players voicing an opinion isn’t cool.
We can agree things do need to change as PvP and wpvp are pretty terrible right now. Yeh some servers have some activity but it’s nothing compared to the past. Saying it’s fine… lol no it’s not fine. It’s bad. Real solutions and suggestions are better than thumping your chest……
No one’s saying War Mode doesn’t need fixing. We’re just saying getting rid of them, or reintroducing PvP servers, isn’t going to do anything
You voicing your opinion is fine. I don’t care. You just obviously don’t do WPvP if you’re claiming War Mode / WPvP is dead right now when it isn’t.
Nothing is as good compared to the past in both PvP and PvE because we had a larger player base back then. This perceived decline in WPvP participation isn’t because of War Mode. Games slowly dying, PvP player base as a whole has had a decline over the years due to lack of development in PvP, etc.
I’m curious to know what you define as “it’s bad.” Seriously. Because War Mode on my shards is full of Alliance. You can come see for yourself. Add me on btag if you want:
WilloWisp#1275
What do you define as War Mode participation being “bad.” Will my shard full of 50+ Alliance be considered bad? Curious to know.
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would be super easy for blizzard to just make a few pvp servers where warmode was permanently on. Since they are new servers, shouldnt cause a whole lot of issues for them to enforce faction balance. The only other option is to just get rid of factions all together. seems to be the route they are going anyway. Everyone is fair game in World PVP.
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Basically PvP servers. Some of my initial ideas were for something more than just PvP servers. Like no safe zones that are temporary if they are attacked and then you gota win it back. Mini battlefronts but like stormwind and other cities.
We got a few cases of rose tinted glasses combined with head in the sand here.
Going to go the route of Blizz and… Ignore them.
See ya out there Troolys.
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Well of course not. The past is gone and it cannot be recreated. You gotta let go of “the good ol’ days” and create new memories.
Nobody’s sitting on the sidelines waiting for Blizz to “fix” world pvp before jumping back in. You’re either in it or you’re not.
You can dangle all the carrots on a stick you want…but you can’t force interest.
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