End the war on solo gameplay in WoW

[Blitzkareeg-area-52 (Blitzkareeg)]

@Varelai-area-52

pointing out things nobody was really arguing against to begin with) then why participate to begin with?

Because that poster is trolling, nothing more!

[Snozay-thrall]

@Mafic-emerald-dream

Daily hubs were fun compared to the world quest system that is on timers. The only advantage world quest system had was in legion because the gear was higher ilevel and had a chance to titanforge. Take away that and the chance of legendaries of legion and the world quest system is a massive downgrade for solo players.

I am a ok with returning to hubs. Even though Korthia and ZM were hubs.

Titanforging should never return.

@Mafic-emerald-dream

And yes solo content was more rewarding back in WotLK, Cata and MoP. Making travel in outdoor content more restrictive to travel has degraded the solo and outdoor experience.

No it wasnt. Thats a flat out lie.

@Mafic-emerald-dream

I said as much in the WoD beta when there was no flying. Apexis and questing system of WoD yieled low gold and gear but it would have been okay if you were able to travel with the zones with reason. Without flight WoD’s outdoor content died and the garrisons spitting out epic gear and gobs of gold made it worse.

WoD was just a trash expansion.

@Mafic-emerald-dream

Raid or die existed in BC and yet players did enjoy doing world content even in BC with solo, duos or small parties. Again, BC was an expansion that introduced flying and the zones were a lot larger to explore and navigate. There was things to do out in the world in these zones. Compared to systemlands the zones are tiny and with few world quests. And you have to use flight paths just to navigate from one zone to the next.

Raid or Die existed all the way to legion.

@Mafic-emerald-dream

In beta if they are testing raids without players then there is no point to advertise that on the forums. If they are saying they are testing raids on the forums as an announcement that means they are inviting beta testers to join in on the test. If they are making an announcement about raid testing during a time when non BlizZard employees but beta testers are at work or attending to normal life that just reinforces my poin

You cant raid test without Blizzard Employees reviewing the data. There were a lot of announcements. I even participated in Normal raid testing.

@Mafic-emerald-dream

Raiding is not going to be a pillar for this game long given the rising popularity of M+.

Both are pillars and raiding isnt going anywhere. The sooner you realize that the better.

[Echab-zuljin]

@Mafic-emerald-dream

Daily quest system in WotLK far exceeds the “questing” experience of systemlands.

Not even close.

How? It’s quests that you can only do one time every day. How’s that any different than WQ which at least rotates?

[Blitzkareeg-area-52 (Blitzkareeg)]

@Snozay-thrall

And all the solo content that was added like mounts and such.

I did Korthia on 14 toons, and enjoyed doing it! Same goes for ZM, also enjoyed it! Thats what solo players do, enjoy the content, get rewards, just like you raiders.

@Snozay-thrall

@Blitzkareeg-area-52

Thats squarely on Blizz for back tracking right before launch!

Even if it gave gear most solo players cried for it to get nerfed anyways.

Thats because they made it so you needed gear from grouped content! If they made it self contained, it would have been a big hit! But nope, they Blizzed it all up!

[Vulpeslupus-moon-guard]

sips

Seems snooze is still at it trying to take away solo players rights they shall never learn.

[Snozay-thrall]

@Blitzkareeg-area-52

I did Korthia on 14 toons, and enjoyed doing it! Same goes for ZM, also enjoyed it! Thats what solo players do, enjoy the content, get rewards, just like you raiders.

Good for you. I did them on the toon I was raiding on.

@Blitzkareeg-area-52

Thats because they made it so you needed gear from grouped content! If they made it self contained, it would have been a big hit! But nope, they Blizzed it all up!

You didnt need the gear. Most people were just bad.

[Snozay-thrall]

@Vulpeslupus-moon-guard

Seems snooze is still at it trying to take away solo players rights they shall never learn.

Seems you still cant read.

Or have a clue what a right actually is.

[Blitzkareeg-area-52 (Blitzkareeg)]

@Snozay-thrall

You didnt need the gear. Most people were just bad.

They even have minimum ilvls posted for chorghast. You could not get past level 8 for Jailers without better than Korthia gear at the time!

Gear mattered so very much!

[Zadley-proudmoore]

Fact is this company has not strayed far from its bro-fisting, office-crawling roots. Look at the IPs across ActiBlizz and they all have one thing in common: sweat. No-lifing is the only way to stay even remotely competitive.

ActiBlizz cares about casual players as much as it cares about its employees.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Blitzkareeg-area-52

They even have minimum ilvls posted for chorghast.

Those are recommendations, not a hard minimum.

[Dawnpaws-mankrik]

FFXIV doesn’t try to totally reset gear every tier / season while supporting a bunch of concurrent modalities and difficulty levels.

Part of the issue with gear in WoW is tied to the developers trying to support and separate power between too many difficulties and modalities, as well as trying to hard reset gear each season to keep players on the treadmill.

They could start lessening the power gaps by combining some of the overlap such as combining normal, heroic, non-affix mythic dungeons, and combining lfr and normal raiding.

Further gaps could be closed by narrowing the power difference between difficulties, as well as getting rid of hard resets between seasons.

For gear between different types of content, either just let those that want to do 10000 things gear faster and ignore the ‘but I don’t want to M+ to raid or raid to M+’ types, or start further separating gear similar to the PVP system such that raid gear is best in raids, M+ in M+, etc.

[Nadetta-moon-guard]

I’m not asking for WoW to turn into a solo experience, even though that has been my preferred way of things the last year or so. I guess I failed to get my point across.

My point is, all the updates, good communication, more things to do in FF is what I want in the WoW universe.

[Snozay-thrall]

@Blitzkareeg-area-52

They even have minimum ilvls posted for chorghast. You could not get past level 8 for Jailers without better than Korthia gear at the time!

It was nerfed before Korthia and 9.1.

@Cäpslöck-proudmoore

Those are recommendations, not a hard minimum.

This ^

[Snozay-thrall]

@Zadley-proudmoore

No-lifing is the only way to stay even remotely competitive.

I work 60+ hours a week, have a family, shoot pool on Wednesday nights in a league and still raid mythic so no thats false.

[Abelak-feathermoon]

@Dawnpaws-mankrik

Further gaps could be closed by narrowing the power difference between difficulties, as well as getting rid of hard resets between seasons.

I like the resets. It’s NICE if people can stop, and jump back in with minimal penalties at the beginning of a new tier.

@Dawnpaws-mankrik

They could start lessening the power gaps by combining some of the overlap such as combining normal, heroic, non-affix mythic dungeons, and combining lfr and normal raiding.

Delete LFR lol.

[Echab-zuljin]

@Snozay-thrall

@Zadley-proudmoore

No-lifing is the only way to stay even remotely competitive.

I work 60+ hours a week, have a family, shoot pool on Wednesday nights in a league and still raid mythic so no thats false.

Yeah I don’t agree with that either. Two or three nights a week at about three hour intervals is all you really need as long as you spend your time wisely. A good guild can help expedite this even more, but that would require actually talking to other people.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Echab-zuljin

but that would require actually talking to other people.

Judging by some of the arguments in this thread, this seems to be the biggest sticking point.

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

Raiding isn’t going to be a pillar for long given the lack of testing of raiding on DF beta. M+ is going to really make a strong case for becoming the new pillar.

BlizZard made a lot of announcements for raiding but not enough showed up from simple observation.

Raid or die hasn’t really been true for WoW technically since vanilla. Badge gear was introduced in BC.

The closest to raid or die post vanilla was WoD. But even then epics rained down from Ashran and garrison mission quests so that wasn’t really raid or die. WoD in fact was super friendly to both hardcore and casual players in terms of gearing.

WoD isn’t considered a trash expansion by PVP players or raiders. Only players I see complaining about WoD was solo players. BlizZard addressed that with legion world quest revamp, epic quest gear from world quests and the possibility of ttanforging but that was short lived.

And yes back during the WotK, Cata and MoP era solo content was more rewarding. Ease of travel (flying), quest hubs offering an abundance of gold relative to time investment, crafting and professions being relevant, etc.

WoD set the open world content and reward structure back with the introduction of the garrisons.

@Echab-zuljin

How? It’s quests that you can only do one time every day. How’s that any different than WQ which at least rotates?

WQ timers are staggered and not consistent like a daily (24 hours). Also WQ were sold as offering more options when introduced in legion but BlizZard nerfed the entire point of having a world quest system over a daily system with systemlands. They nerfed the world quest system but limiting the number of world quests on the map. And the few world quests on the map offer very little rewards compared to BFA or legion.

Systemlands was WoD 2.0 in the open world and DF is treading toward that direction as well.

@Blitzkareeg-area-52

Thats because they made it so you needed gear from grouped content! If they made it self contained, it would have been a big hit! But nope, they Blizzed it all up!

BlizZard chose to not make it like visions. Which is fine but they needed to allow other rewards beyond gearing if they decided no gearing for it.

[Echab-zuljin]

@Mafic-emerald-dream

WQ timers are staggered and not consistent like a daily (24 hours).

So what? You still get a ton of them. At least in this current system it’s not the same ones every single day.

They nerfed the world quest system but limiting the number of world quests on the map. And the few world quests on the map offer very little rewards compared to BFA or legion.

There is no difference in the number of WQ offered in Legion, BFA or Shadowlands. And the gear rewards for all three became meaningless once you hit a certain ilevel, but they were still worth doing for the gold and resources. It’s why I still do callings on my main even though I out leveled the open world ages ago.

[Shreds-wyrmrest-accord (Shreds)]

@Barenjude-skyfury

Just because blizzard doesn’t reward solo gameplay the same as they do organized group gameplay doesn’t mean blizzard is “at war” with solo gameplay. lol

Blizzard is at least flagged for PvP against solo gameplay.