End the war on solo gameplay in WoW (Part 1)

[Rejectdegens-dalaran]

This is psyops made by devs from other games. Wow never had a precedent like this

Rewarding people with end game gear for doing quests? What the tell. Might as well remove parties and call the game God of War.

[Nuamooa-zuljin]

@Rejectdegens-dalaran

Rewarding people with end game gear for doing quests? What the tell. Might as well remove parties and call the game God of War.

Nobody is asking for that. Did you get that off a script someone gave you to copy and paste from?

[Nohablo-illidan]

You get enough gear to do the content that you do. If you want gear from harder content, do that content. Should Blizzard create solo player content that progresses the story, and increase in difficulty? Kind of like the covenant storyline, or Korthia? Yes, they should, we all agree that they should.

If it’s tier sets you want, I don’t see the big deal with it. Make a shade to show what content you did like the other tier set. It’ll still take a long time, and then everyone will be bored together. Waiting for new content and complaining about who, or who doesn’t deserve what on the forums.

[Nuamooa-zuljin]

@Nohablo-illidan

You get enough gear to do the content that you do. If you want gear from harder content, do that content.

So the gear someone gets in your example is not good enough to do harder content.

[Nohablo-illidan]

@Nuamooa-zuljin

So the gear someone gets in your example is not good enough to do harder content.

Yeah, that was not intentional. There should be gear, or enchants that allow you to progress to harder content. Something like Korthia armament, corruption, azerite powers, sandworn relic gear, hard to think of any.

[Snozh-malganis]

@Nuamooa-zuljin

So the gear someone gets in your example is not good enough to do harder content.

Korthia gear is perfectly
Fine to get into heroic with.

[Pyromor-shandris (Pyromor)]

I have no issue with the gear coming it’s fine. What shade show? Do you want me to preform here I’m actually not that talented to lie.

Darryl Worley , "The Fishin' Hole" (Andy Griffith Show theme song)

[Phibbus-farstriders (Phibbus)]

@Mustachio-eredar

So you want a challenge but you don’t want the darkest, hardest, most burn-out-est challenge. You just want a challenge and to not feel spoon fed.

No, I pretty much want the nastiest they can throw at me. I don’t care about gear rewards, just that it leads to the next level of challenge and carries some type of signifying reward.

[Nuamooa-zuljin]

Which is irrelevant to the comment I was responding to. If you only get gear to do the content you do, you are not equipped to move up to harder content.

Setting LFR ilvls too low to move up to normal is a common elitist demand.

[Snozh-malganis]

@Nuamooa-zuljin

Which is irrelevant to the comment I was responding to. If you only get gear to do the content you do, you are not equipped to move up to harder content

Korthia gear is perfectly fine to go into heroic raid.

@Nuamooa-zuljin

Setting LFR ilvls too low to move up to normal is a common elitist demand.

Those higher ilvls are for speed runs not to carry someone.

[Happy-gundrak]

wow this threads still going strong O_o

[Antiman-bloodhoof]

@Erythrae-stormrage

Then tell me why ‘the solo player’ should get equal gear that drops in group content without doing group content?

In case you have not noticed, I am one that thinks the solo player should get the same gear after a long grind, maybe long after the group player has gotten such

@Erythrae-stormrage

Practice rotation,

I am a tank most of the time, and have a rotation helper for when I am DPS.

@Erythrae-stormrage

farm mats

A lot of this is done via the mission tables any more.

@Erythrae-stormrage

farm currency

Pointless if I don’t have anything to spend the currency on, even if it is just like say upgrading my M+ and/or RAID gear.

@Erythrae-stormrage

farm rares

Army of alts gets me a lot of the things rares provide as I do the solo content on them anyway.

@Erythrae-stormrage

All of which should not drop the same level of gear your group content is doing.

And here is the idiotic argument, you are right that stuff should not drop the same level of gear as the group content, hell even I think Korthia should drop lower level gear. What I am after is more you get the gear to drop then you EARN the currency and ability to upgrade it. To compare it to raid, it would be more akin to BLP protection being a currency you can use to buy gear from a raid vendor, maybe different itemized gear, maybe gear from bosses you have downed. But the point is, group content you can do and get lucky or unlucky, what solo players might settle for is the ability to work towards upgrades in a way that guarantees that gear. Even my ideas have those that do the group content earn boatloads more of the currency then solo players, so those that do both get the gear the fastest, those that do grop content get it slower then those that do both but still quite fast, those that do only solo content might be lucky to get 1/2 their gear fully upgraded (cap would be heroic raid/M+10) unless they spent hours each day doing every bit of solo content.

Some solo players are that way because they don’t socialize well, others might be that way because their life has demands of them that limit their time. In the case of the first, I am more then willing to try and get them to come out of their shell and do the group content, it is the second that I feel would be happy even with just farming currency to upgrade gear, especially if they normally raid or do M+ and have just hit a time they can’t do such but they might be able to again later.

[Flayan-silver-hand]

@Mustachio-eredar

I still don’t get it. If people want to play solo content and get the best gear in an MMO, why even play an MMO to begin with?

Are you Discording with your friends while they play different games?
Is your guild there for social fluff?

Why are you playing an MMO and wanting to get the highest level gear all by yourself? Why even spend a monthly fee on a genre meant to provide a multiplayer experience?

What would WoW single player even look like? A one time buy where you beat the story and never play the game again?

What’s there not to get. It’s you that doesn’t get it. Yes its an MMO. That means people. Tons of people. It’s as if you don’t understand the effects that a bad guild or a bad raid leader has on the person playing.

Sometimes players love the game but don’t want to sign in for the crazy that goes with a goodly amount of guilds/raids/mythic+ teams in game.

People can be angry, petty, vindictive, abusive, vain, greedy, selfish, manipulative, narcissistic, judgemental…

Need I add more. I’m sure everyone on this thread could come up with many more than one bad raiding group/guild experience.

Solo players don’t want mythic gear for nothing but there has to be a better way than just making the game focused towards such a small group of the playerbase.

[Shreds-wyrmrest-accord (Shreds)]

@Beledwarfine-moon-guard

Why is anybody asking for solo content in an MMO. Did you forget what that part stands for? Massive MULTIPLAYER Online. The whole point of the game is to play with people.

You’re a clown. I’ve played this game solo for 17 years and it’s been great. Get out of here with that nonsense. All MMO means is that other players are logged in and playing at the same time you are. Just as in real life, we don’t have to talk to or interact with any of them.

End of story.

[Christabel-illidan]

@Rejectdegens-dalaran

This is psyops made by devs from other games.

Conspiracy theories are fun lol, but I seriously doubt this is the case.

[Theresa-sisters-of-elune]

@Flayan-silver-hand

Solo players don’t want mythic gear for nothing but there has to be a better way than just making the game focused towards such a small group of the playerbase.

Exactly.

Even if players like the competitive group content, don’t they just want to go out on their own in their spare time to gear up some alts? Don’t players get tired of running the same dungeons or raids multiple times in the same week, or has SL really killed the concept of alts?

The gear from solo and casual content doesn’t have to be Mythic BiS, but Normal or Heroic would be nice to get into more difficult content later in the patch if you feel like it. It’s really hard to start from the ground up when groups expect you to have last season’s Mythic iLvl or this season’s Normal or Heroic iLvl.

[Sentenzà-illidan]

@Theresa-sisters-of-elune

It’s really hard to start from the ground up when groups expect you to have last season’s Mythic iLvl or this season’s Normal or Heroic iLvl.

I agree with your general point, but Korthia gear has inflated the ilvl requirements and killed Normal raiding so it’s actually a big source of the problem, not the solution.

Open-world should not be giving nearly heroic ilvl gear. There should be solo content that gives that kind of ilvl, maybe even a bit higher than that, but it needs to be on a lock-out, and it needs to be challenging content, it needs to be a harder/longer road than group content. There’s already some suggestions about how that would work so I won’t go into detail, but “give anti-social players heroic ilvl” is not the solution to any problems and is in fact part of why I’d argue 9.1 failed (hurt the core audience).

[Sshhsshhsshh-proudmoore]

I don’t know if it killed normal raiding. Of course I don’t have the stats on that, so you could be right. We still needed the domination socketed gear, and except for that belt the only place to get them was the raid. So there was definitely the incentive to go run normal. By the time most players were able to upgrade to rank 6, normal was on farm for some guilds.

I didn’t mind that the Korthia gear upgraded to 233. It was pretty much all crap gear for me anyways. Other than that trinket they nerfed. It was good enough though to encourage people to try the harder content to get the better gear. The Korthia content at 226 was a complete joke to me that by the time I was at a high enough rep & renown I needed none of it at 233.

I do think we need harder solo content that can be an avenue to gear than what we have now. A lot of these solo players complaining won’t even do it, but you and I probably will.

[Nyåruko-wyrmrest-accord]

Except the purpose of getting max normal raid gear is to move onto harder heroic and then mythic and raiders still need to deal with many one shot mechanics regardless of gear level. If a player makes a mistake on pain smith or fate scribe the raid wipes regardless of gear level. Yes fights go faster and some mechanics are easier but that is the nature of raid or mythic +.

And you are completely ignoring the solo content progression. When you max the covenants campaign your gear is much less than when you finish korthia and upgrade. If you are in full korthia gear rares are a joke unless you do not know how to play your character. So yes solo players have plenty of ways to improve their gear to the point that world content is as easy as it can be.

Here’s something the casuals seem to like to gloss over is you have an easy farming system to buy targeted upgrades. With Stygia you can get any piece you are missing, raiders sometimes go months trying to get that one item. And many times raiders don’t get any drop at all while a world quest always rewards you with whatever was promised.

You think the great vault should be made available? Ok then maybe to make it fair world quests should randomly drop a piece of gear or no gear at all and at the end of the week you should get one random piece to chose from of world quest level gear or korthia gear? Sometimes the great vault is the only item a raider or mythic+ player gets if they had bad drop luck that week.

Sorry but there is no war on solo players, only solo players that feel they should get given access to gear not earned. Solo players have the easiest and most reliable source of gear to max out their content type. Unfortunately most solo players these days think they deserve loot just for showing up.

[Erythrae-stormrage]

@Nyåruko-wyrmrest-accord

Sorry but there is no war on solo players, only solo players that feel they should get given access to gear not earned. Solo players have the easiest and most reliable source of gear to max out their content type. Unfortunately most solo players these days think they deserve loot just for showing up.

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