Please just end premades.
The only people supporting them are a super small percentage of the population
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Premades vs pugs isn’t about git gud.
And if it was a case of git gud so many people who premade wouldn’t be absolutely terrified of the prospect of having to fight other premades.
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Give me one reason other than it makes life better for solo queuers. Wow is not a game designed around the solo player, why should pvp be any different? And explain how solo queuers getting preferential treatment makes the game better for everyone. Because you still haven’t done that. Solo queuers getting their own special queue just pushes the problem off on those who like to play with friends, and in a game that rewards social interaction and group play in nearly every aspect, how is that a good idea?
And how does separating the queues hurt people who want to play as a group?
Aside from no longer being able to farm pugs it doesn’t.
Not everyone who forms groups does it to farm pugs. If solo players get their own special queue the people who like to play with friends now face the honor farmers way more often, while solo players get a free pass. How if that fair to them? You haven’t solved any issues, you just pushed your problem off on someone else.
But you are doing it to farm pugs. That’s the only reason you are opposed to the idea.
Your claim that everyone should just premade themselves would result in the same situation as separating the queues would. Premades vs premades. But you don’t want that, you want your easy wins fighting pugs.
Premades vs premades is the equivalent of pugs vs pugs. The only people getting a free pass are people like you who rely on farming pugs in a premade.
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Wrong. I do it because I enjoy playing with my guildies and friends.
No it’s not the same because the level of competition is much higher for the group has to face all the honor farming tryhard groups, but you get a free pass so you don’t care.
I understand exactly what Zydax is saying. The “who wants to have fun in WSG/AB” after a raid group is entirely different from the ranker group that runs all day. These guild/friend groups are not HPH farming, they are trying to have fun.
The guild groups tend to take whoever is interested and may have people who only PVP once in a while or aren’t used to it and that’s ok. These groups frequently get beaten by the perfect comp, engineering rankers just like PUGs do and they are absolutely being left out of the conversation.
I’ve been on both sides and I understand his point completely.
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Except it is the same, some games you’ll be matched against a better team that happens to pugs too. You realize one team always has to lose right? It’s not like both teams get a free win when pugging.
And that’s fine, they’ll get matched against other groups with the same motivation in addition to hph farmers. That’s no different than how some pug teams will end up vastly better than others.
But why should solo queuers get a free pass? They should have to face the same groups everyone else has to face
Or how about you don’t tell me what to do.
Or how about I do?
I’ve played 12 games in the last two days of WSG and every single one has been against a 10man premade, and my server can’t support making a premade of its own to fight them. So a chance of having a relatively fair game would be nice-
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Okay zoomer, whatever makes you happy. We are still not going anywhere.
Solo queuers wouldn’t get a free pass, they would still have to play and win.
The only people getting a free pass are people like you who rely on farming pugs.
Yes they do because they don’t have to play better groups. It’s not my fault nobody wants to play with you. And based on your responses here I can see why. Maybe classic just isn’t for you
Premade groups aren’t better though. This isn’t a skill issue.
Premade groups just get to avoid some of the issue pugs have to deal with which is why it’s silly not to put them in their own queue.
Once again the only people getting a free pass are premade groups like you who rely on beating pugs. And fighting to keep things the same is actively asking for your free pass.
There is no way you can’t form 10 ppl group in any server. No way.
Just apply social skills maybe? This game is fair enough - everyone has the same opportunities.
So you know it’s a disadvantage to solo queue, you do it anyway, and then complain to big daddy blizz to come fix it? The solution is completely in your control. Find a few friends to queue with and make sure at least one is a healer. And magically you’ll start winning a few games, shocking I know.
Nothing in classic pvp is a skill issue. It’s 100% about time effort and organization. That’s what the honor system rewards. You still haven’t made a case as to why you should get a free pass when you refuse to do what you know needs to be done to be semi-successful in classic pvp. It’s completely your fault at this point. You have to power to make you own experience better, but refuse to do it.
Thank you for understanding. We all agree getting 5 capped by the sweaty rankers sucks, but solo players shouldn’t get a free pass imo.