i asked my friends they said yes
i asked my guild they said yes
i asked general chat they said yes
idk man maybe a lot of people want it
#somechanges
Then you should have what you want!
I should have what I want, too.
It would be easy to leave a server without all the changes that are going to be added.
Because I don’t want them. I didn’t resub to play Shadowlands. I came back because I wanted to play the old game.
I’m hoping you get to play what you want but I want to play the game I want too.
Which was kinda the whole point of asking for Vanilla and TBC…as they were.
I don’t want them fixed. I loved playing them without all the stuff that makes the game easier and faster and more convenient.
Players back then sucked. Boomkins and enhancement shamans always shredded stuff. Not to mention, if you are talking about PvP, the lack of resilience is part of this. Every season 1 on every TBC pserver ever is like this.
No!
/10 char
Wow that’s crazy that you polled the whole player base and found out 99% of us want it. Dual Spec ruins spec identity. You want to play a game where everyone can do everything. This is not that game. This game isn’t made for YOU. Go away.
No bro I mained a Druid and was a 2200+ resto… Boomy was NOT shredding anything while leveling bro. We “DIDN’T” suck back then most of you just did… We all keybound and played like you should lol.
I tried boomy and feral numerous times. Whats going on right now is Crazy because nobody is making any noise about these crazy things going on.
I actually like it though, enhance and boomy WILL be playable in 3s like this.
The discoords bud. That’s where everyone goes to build giant communities. Join a couple and ask around.
I’m not attacking your skill personally. I just mean the meta hadn’t evolved yet like it did after 10 years of pserver testing and practice and data. On pservers, Dreamstate balance/rogue is one of the strongest 2v2 comps, much stronger than it was in 2007 when tbc was live, because people learned the comp more intimately from a decade of testing. Etc.
99% of us DO NOT…just you, and a few other outspoken people in the forums.
#NoChanges
It never fixed the tank shortage.
But it did allow DPS non-tanks to claim tank spots just to skip the wait times
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A lot of people asking for dual spec probably arent prepared to spend the gold sink to get it. We’ll next see “To solve the tank shortage drop the cost of dual spec from 1k”. None of this changes anything, we literally have retail to prove otherwise.
Well it will never fix it. Nothing will fix the 1/5 ration in dungeons when you have 2/25 in raids. It will however make it a bit better.
#NoChanges
Your friends are a small population of the game.
your guild is a small population of the game.
general chat on your server is a small population of the game.
I don’t have much of a stake in this because I play retail but to say that spec changing didn’t solve the tank or healer shortage is not telling the truth. When I make groups for Mythic plus my applications are very fast for finding a tank or heals. I can understand at higher levels you may be more picky but so are you with dps. I was leveling a dps mage in Shadowlands queued up for random dungeon and got in at 2 mins. I was very surprised how quick it was. I think more people do play tank or heals when they can switch back and forth. People should probably wait till he Ulduar patch in Wrath when it was introduced but I don’t like people in this thread stating it didn’t change the game for the better. That is simply not true.
spec changing and dual spec aren’t actually the same thing.
This may be true. I don’t know, and don’t claim any knowledge to whether it’s true or not, but it seems like a relatively reasonable assumption, imo.
The question that I am left with is whether the game design during TBC was such that it intentionally deterred people from respecc’ing. If that is the case, then any change to make respecc’ing easier/better is against the intended game design.
With regards to actual dual spec, I don’t think it’s a good solution at all. If respecc’ing frequently, or even infrequently is desired, I think there are much better solutions.
It definitely changed the game, but whether it was for the better or not, I’d like to know why you feel so confident that it was a good change.
I think ultimately it was a bad change.
(1 reason that makes me think it was a bad change is that it increases the responsibility for the classes and specs that require the most responsibility)
It basically is. You got allowed 2 loadouts and most people used it for two specs hence why it got the name dual spec. The modern iteration is just letting people use all 3 specs or two if you are a DH haha. When you can change talents at will at rested areas and the specs abilities not completely tied to talent points the loadouts can just be tied to the spec. The reason it was two loadouts at first for a long while was because they still had the tree.
Was it in TBC? No. There’s the answer.
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I will say though I am with you. I think dual spec it will help a bit maybe? I think people should just experience it as it was. As someone who did play BC back then it’s good to see people getting some perspective on how the game evolved. Maybe then they will realize the changes in retail aren’t all Blizz but things that the players, like me, actually wanted!
Oh… that’s a surprising reply…
For some people, esp. those who don’t care to spend time to understand their classes, their talents, nor their builds, and just look for a one-size-fits-all build from a website where a relatively mediocre player posts their talent build, then it might seem like having 2 specs is enough for a class to do all content.
But for anybody who actually has enough sense to read the tooltips of their talents, they’ll realize that while having dual spec might give more overall options for spec than single spec, it won’t solve the problem of having to respec for different content.
That’s one side of the coin…
Dual Spec gave 2 spec options. It wasn’t because of what most people did…
This is not particularly accurate.
The modern iteration allows changing of talents. However, it also is using the modern client and game, which do not allow for multi-tree talent builds. That’s a major difference.
Additionally, gear changes according to spec, and there are other changes that support this…
Comparing Dual Spec to modern WoW (retail)'s respecc’ing system, we can see there are very many fundamental differences…