WFH people would have no problem with having a webcam on their desk for their shift right? At any moment management could check in on them.
Correct, I have no compassion for either.
You assume a visual of the person is needed to “check in” on them. They have work chat, and team workspaces that are real time online.
The need to ALSO visually “check” on people is controlling and not needed. Are they attending their meetings? Is the work getting done on time? Is the work high quality and error free? Are they rapidly responsive if there are changes request after reviews?
Visually seeing someone at their desk is not, in any way, a measure of productivity or quality, as we know from the thousands of desk slugs that exist in cubicles all across the world. People who should be removed from those jobs no matter if it is home or office.
Location of work is not the determinant in productivity and quality, the PERSON is. If that person works best in an office, let them. If they work best in a remote location, let them.
I don’t care if someone does their work on the beach. I only care that it is on time and high quality.
Nobody is supporting lazy individuals who want to slack at home, at the coffee pot at work, goofing off on the internet at the office, etc. I, and others, support people who want to work hard being able to do that work from a location that gives them a good quality of life as well.
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You’re right they cannot. My house is 365k, i bought it for 80k 20 years ago. Then again, I added 700sf a bathroom, a pole barn, added an acre to my yard and basically rebuilt the entire thing.
Also, I can find 50k houses within 40 miles of me but they need work, the neighborhood needs work. You pay for what you get or you work to increase the value of it. All these kids around me want a turn-key historical home with good schools a 5 minute walk from night life for nothing.
Yes.
So they have the privilege of working from home and being seen while working is too much? Quit moving the goal post. Being seen by a manager at work is not oppression. It’s a perfectly reasonable demand.
Lol. My house went up over 250k in value with nothing added. Those 50k houses are undoubtedly teardowns that aren’t inhabitable.
Boomers bought up single family housing, put restrictions in place to prevent more affordable housing, and drove the average housing and rent cost up well beyond what most people can afford. “These kids” want to be able to afford to live anywhere without paying 60% of their paycheck.
Your statement is as presumptive as it is false, clown.
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I was hoping to have a good faith discussion. So let’s circle back to the original question response.
Profit data is public information. Does that actually support your claim that returning to office would be a profit-driven decision?
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Sure, during a Zoom meeting. It is not reasonable to have real time cameras in my house any time. My WORK is monitored, not me as a human. I don’t need a babysitter or a baby monitor. I need to be left alone to do my work. If my work is not on time or correct, then I would expect a conversation with the boss and possibly to be fired.
I worked from home, or on travel, for 7 years. It was both good and bad. It meant I could work from my deck, but I also had to be essentially on-call almost 24 hours a day with customers and HQ in different time zones.
You are mixing arbitrary metrics like “I can see you on camera any time I want to invade your privacy” with “be a talented and productive staff member”.
Seeing someone at their desk is not a measure of anything other than physical presence. Desk slugs abound. It just creates a job for middle management to do attendance checks and comment if they get up to pee at the wrong time.
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And this is why all employees should be in the office. It’s never enough. They will just keep pushing and pushing until nothing is getting done.
You falsely think highly productive people need to sit in a cubicle to do that. There is nothing about office equipment that is unique to most offices these days.
I can promise you, the CEOs, VP, senior mgrs, etc do not sit in an office all the time. They travel to other offices, customers, vacations, work from wherever they need to in order to get the job done.
You seem to have the belief that people are all lazy and can’t be trusted to do their job without a whip cracking on their back. That is false.
What we do agree on is that people who don’t do their jobs, wherever it is, should be fired. NODOBY is advocating for lazy layabouts who want to get paid to do nothing. No matter where that “nothing” is.
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Dragonflight came out BETTER than Shadowlands. Dragonflight is 100% WorkFromHome Shadowlands was in transition. Battle For Azeroth was all In Office.
Out of the 3 expansions and their locations:
You tell me now based on Expansion quality which work location pumped out better work.
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All the expansions before WoD.
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How uneducated. I assure you, if I wasn’t doing my work, my boss would notice within hours. We have no cameras, no monitoring. You sound like someone who has never worked in an actual high-skill position.
We don’t need monitoring. The workload we cover is evidence itself of our activity.
The only people I’ve ever met that think the way you do are mediocre managers of undesirable positions (like call centers), or people under them who have bit the corporate BS that everyone is trying to slack off all the time.
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Are there any other jobs that are stay at home besides being self employed?
This is a.question they should be asking themselves before quitting a job.
It would be wiser to find a job replacement before quitting.
LOTS. Many things that use a computer, internet, and phone can be done from anywhere. The person may have to attend telecons, Zoom meetings, and travel for in person things sometimes, but most office jobs can be done anywhere unless you directly support the office staff sitting in those chairs.
Some “office” jobs are still going to require an office or hands on environment for security reasons, access to limited specialized equipment (datacenters, servers, very high end graphics computers, specialized in house software systems, etc.), in-person customer interface. Things like that.
If my job is to be the project manager, tech advisor/approvals, and contracts for a vendor in FL when I live 1000 miles away I don’t need to be in an office. If my customer for that project is HQed in another time zone, and my own HQ is in CA, then nobody I am talking to or working with is even local. Everything is done by computer, internet, phone, or travel.
Can I run and deliver a $3M contract with 22 software delivery items on time YES! Did I care where anyone was, or where I was, NO. Could I play a major role in winning multi Billion dollar contract vehicles from a combo of home/travel, YES! That was 10 years ago even. We did not even have Zoom yet.
That is kind of standard wisdom 
Never put yourself at financial risk if you don’t have to. Not unless it is life threatening/family emergency sort of thing.
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Yeah, plenty of them.
Talking well-paying careers alone, there are hundreds of varieties of IT work that are remote. Sales. Consulting. Etc.
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i don’t hire people that i think i’ll need to monitor like they’re babies
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Right! Like its their loss.
My current job the company is trying to get more people to get back in office. Its a slow progress.
Truth. If I need a baby monitor for someone I don’t want them as a staff member, not in an office cube or at a remote location.
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if you honestly think those little changes added 285k in value, you’re really out of touch.
i bought my house five years ago. it’s gained close to 100k in value since then. i haven’t done a thing to it.
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