Is that we must fix things that are broken before the classic version comes out.
Since #nochanges has been abandoned and #somechanges is out of the bag, it is time to see how impactful (1) single racial is across the board.
EMFH is not UNFAIR to horde. EMFH is unfair to every other race than human.
If you are playing Arena, you’re pigeonholed into rolling human. I say right now, if race change is available, every single alliance player with possibility to reroll human will do it for Arenas, and not because they WANT, but because otherwise they will be subpar.
Give other races a chance to fight and change EMFH to work similarly to WoTF so they are still dependent on a PvP trinket, but still have a good racial to be competitive.
we have will of the forsake, you know its next on the chopping block if they nerf human, and after us it will be orcs, cows and nelf. Then they will nerf priests to all be the same, and it doesn’t just stop there.
If you’re gonna nerf the racials, at least do it right and deleted them all entirely.
Will of the Forsaken is actually better vs more comps than EMH at any point. EMH only starts to become comparable when they get ICC heroic 25 trinkets, in other words at the end of classic wow.
Will of the forsaken is already in nerfed state for WoTLK.
Bringing EMFH in line with WoTF makes them similar and still powerful.
Orcs are already nerfed, Stun resist is changed to reduced stun duration, which 15% of a 5s stun is lol 0,75ms. Nice stun lasts now 4,2.
Night elves were actually brought up with changes to Shadowmeld and I feel that is alright, the class is simply underrepresented.
It isn’t. You should get informed before posting.
[Patch 3.0.2] further nerfed the ability by removing the immunity entirely. The ability now only removes the effects that are currently on the player’s character.
Which effects?
Charm, fear and sleep.
Also:
Patch 3.3.0 (2009-12-08): Now shares a 45-second cooldown with similar effects, including the [Medallion of the Horde], Titan-Forged runes, [Insignia of the Horde], etc.
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What is Every Man for Himself?
This has to be adjusted so other races still have a chance in the game.
We must talk about this now, and I hope one of the people that were not elected by us and somehow still represent us in the said “community council” should start this topic soon (otherwise it will make me think they were too eager to nerf squak because a certain hunter was jealous of warrior parses).
EMFH will be fine. The only issue it will cause is some people will reroll (or paid faction change if that is available). But other than high bracket arena no one will see an impact.
I know we no longer have the immunity portion, but we don’t share a full CD on pvp trinket giving us basically an extra pvp trinket vs the most powerful and abused CC in wow being fear. The small 45 sec wait between pvp trinket and Wotf is not bad, and we get resilience on top because of the pvp trinket.
Humans kinda suck pre-ICC 25 heroic trinkets… And its all the way at is whats likely to be the actual end of classic wow. Until that point of ICC 25 heroic trinkets will of the forsaken is crazy better, its not even a contest.
How about we buff escape artist now so that it can’t get resisted by dispel resistance talents? Gnomes are woefully a low tier race having to roll the dice on an iconic ability.
You know I’ve noticed a trend with these posts and that’s everyone asking for EMFH nerfs are posting on Horde characters, just an observation.
I doubt that Blizzard will change it, the profession changes were done so that people don’t just learn JC/enchanting and just use the enchant on the rings/ equipping gems then drop it for what they actually want to run.
I don’t understand your examples. Drums were changed, ring enchants and the JC only gems were changed but the Gnomish Battle Chicken wasn’t changed, intentionally that is. Couldn’t you still get 5 or am I misremembering, I don’t play melee so that’s highly likely.
What do you mean “Give other races a chance to fight” How many Undead do you see in areans? I’d bet at least one per group.
No one racial has the power to make you subpar, if you think that you’re losing because of a racial then I don’t know what to say.
I’ve said this on another thread but I simply do not care about EMFH I just don’t. This is just going to be the same cycle that classic had. Mid way through an expansion and people are talking about the next and what problems such and such are going to bring, I’m honestly surprised that no one has mentioned a gold reset.
EMFH will likely not be changed which is fine really it doesn’t need to be. WoW shouldn’t be balanced, there should be a rock paper scissors in what beats what, that makes when you’re a paper and you beat a scissors that much more memorable.
Now don’t over-react with what I said, WoW should have SOME balance, I just think that they shouldn’t fine tune it, sometimes a little Imbalance is a good thing otherwise we might as well just be fighing a clone of ourselves.
Dont have to nerf EMFH… the smarter fix is to buff the PvP trinkets. Add/increase stam & resilience on them and you indirectly make EMFH less valuable.
Would really just be a smack in the face to Alliance players who have complained about Horde racials for two expansions now amd saw absolutely no changes to them.
If you’re afraid everyone will switch Ally maybe you’ll be ok with the 3 bread and 2 ore you get from your pitiful sorry your on the smaller faction loot box.
Shoulda asked for orc stun resist nerfs and WoTF nerfs before TBC classic came out. Championing a cause like this, at this time, after allowing horde to dominate the PvP scene is a zero thought out post.
It’s not enough that you have to have superior racials for an entire expansion, control the arena leaderboard, be the bigger faction when it comes to pvp, and overall have Horde Vs Horde BGs to sate your insufferable desire to be the most meta slave you can be, but now you feel the opposition should be shafted once more, again, like they haven’t been relentlessly roasted for all of TBC already.
ToC trinkets are bis for unholy dk, because they largely can’t make use of the ArP from death bringer’s will, and more than powerful enough to carry emfh. Even discounting those, darkmoon greatness is basically a ToC level trinket available on launch because of how good the itemization is.
I’d add, the “nerfed” version of emfh where it’s wotf but against stuns, would still be better than wotf by far… If you really think two pve trinkets emfh is worse than wotf, then you should jump on the chance for it to change to the stun break.
You also had alliance still defending emfh in wod, when the effect was even stronger courtesy of the stat squish increasing the power of trinkets and making emfh over 3x stronger than ever other racial in the game, and resulting in a 10%+ overall damage differential between human and non human characters, the entirety of that differential occurring during a trinket proc duration… And that resulted in 96% of the top 400 on the pvp ladder being alliance, with a super majority of those being JUST HUMAN.
Far too many people fall into the “x was overpowered before, so I should be overpowered now” fallacy. Wotf, arcane torrent, and Orc racial are indeed too strong in tbcc, and two of them are appropriatly nerfed in wrath (be isn’t, and probably could /should be as well)… Emfh, is similarly too much, and blatantly the biggest outlier.
yeah that’s unfortunately true, its why there were so many orcs in vanilla, undead in TBC, and likely to be humans in wrath, tho I still feel Will of the Forsaken is better because the PVP trinket is not fully on CD if we use will like humans have to deal with.
your point about DK’s is interesting, but DK’s are game breaking anyway regardless of their race. If we’re to go down that lets change the racials, I say screw that and just delete the racials entirely and also DK’s right along with the racials.
All the raids can be done without the racials, they are all kinda easy excluding 25 heroic sindragosa and LK, and Uld on hard modes.
Also its not needed to have DK’s to clear the content, and the game would be overall better as a result of that. Heck why not stop there? We could make a best of version between Wrath and TBC, where we have more TBC oriented play with some of the class improvements and nerfs of wrath. Stuff they did right in wrath was things like killing off RNG stuns, and junk like that, but things they did bad were things like adding way too much AE, and I am of the thinking that even TBC had too much AE, even vanilla had too much AE, I say nerf it hard; first by cutting the AE radius down by 20% on all abilities, but then also removing any talents that improve AE in any way.
Next we should also kill the “use while in CC” abilities, and make them preemptive abilities that require a bit more skill and thought to use. Stuff like Pain suppression and paladin bubble and ice block and many more should never have been usable while CC’d, IMO we should not even be able to control our pets while in CC, and frankly Wrath expands on mobility for both melee and casters; this was a mistake, eliminate that.
That’s if we’re to go down this path of change this and that, may as well fix all the mistakes.