The horde scene is dead, just look at Tol Barad.
There must be a fix to help even out the populations. Allow racial change on any race or nerf it.
Something must be done, the Horde vs Alliance should not feel this 1-sided.
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Agree very much.
This issue has gone on for too long and it hurts the overall PvP of the game.
You shouldn’t need to join alliance and transfer to Benediction just to find RBG/Arena partners.
Are they even going to fix the LFG Tool for X-Realm PVP?
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Would probably be a good idea. Change EMFH to the retail version that only works on stuns and has a 30 second icd with PvP trinket, would be similar to WOTF in that regard.
They should also change the troll beast slaying racial that makes them gods in throne of thunder, that caused a lot of issues for PvE guilds in original MoP too.
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Nah I’m good, been sick of the Horde racial dominance since WoD.
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Easiest fix on the casual pvp end (after nerfing emfh) is just make bg queues factionless with every player in the same player pool spawning mixed faction teams
Like you can even literally still call it Merc mode, and just lore explain it away with both factions willing to hire mercenaries from the other side for fights. Also ditch the soy masks when you spawn as the other team.
Now then, for rated play the only realistic way to fix the problem without making horde stronger to entice mass xferring back to horde (and then nerfing that when relative balance is achieved) is to open up cross faction rated play. It’s a bit of an extreme solution, but extreme answers are all that’s left when indolence and ineptitude allowed emfh to cause the population to snowball so intensely.
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No one is forced to be any faction or race.
There are rank 1s with non-meta picks in both raiding and pvp.
Learn your class. Exploit its strengths.
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most people choosing ally for EMFH are just following streamers and youtubers around like sheep and the advantage they gain will be absolutely obliterated by skill, as most these players dont have the skill to back it up. play whatever you want.
i have a ally worgen i play cause i enjoy the slight boosted crit and i play with friends.
I have a horde rogue and druid to have fun pvping on
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One of the reasons the community loved SoD so much was the faction balance. It made the world feel alive again and kept you on alert for PvP encounters.
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SoDs open world pvp was trash.
Nobody liked that garbage.
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Cool.
Anyways, the point still stands that having faction balances makes sense, especially on PvP servers. Some of us are hoping for Benediction-Faerlina merge since those are 99% Ally-Horde. That would be amazing imo
I would hate that.
My farming areas would be overcrowded.
Dont base anything pvp on horde and tol borad. Horde stopped doing TB like mid phase 1 once we were all exalted and had the mount and trinket.
yeah i remember in vanilla classic when bgs released the meta strat was to delete your hearthstone and use unstuck to kill yourself before the gates opened and run away from the spirit healer so the horde wouldnt be incentivized to farm you for honor and you get a quick 1 mark as opposed to trying to win as alliance
after that was done getting a wsg or ab queue to pop was impossible
that was a really rich and enjoyable pvp experience i’ll say!
99.25% of the top 400 are Alliance
This is literally the most unbalanced the ladder has ever gotten in the history of the franchise…
But do go on trying to dismiss the issue.
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2nd time around, EMFH is broken because equipping a 2nd damage trinket is broken. Everyone knew this going in.
It’s actually made even worse because cata they took away xrealm LFG. So I imagine anyone who cares about queuing has moved to the same servers and faction changed already.
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Not really sure why some random bg would be representative or exemplary of PvP, nor whether it matters whatsoever anyway.
I do think maybe pointing to the highest rated Horde feral/hunter/rsham from last season being roughly 1000 rating points behind their Alliance counterpart is more telling…
But so what?
Solutions?
Remove EMFH racial
Replace with a stat booster (similar to orc blood fury) or a smaller scale “last stand”.
Anyone else got ideas?
The legion nerf to emfh should be sufficient
(it’s changed to wotf - but against stuns instead of fears)
That said, they’d need to monitor population balance after that to get both factions relatively balanced.
Personally, if I where designing the game, I’d have been mirroring the two factions…pair each race off with an opposing faction race, then give them the same racial, giving them the best of the two(with whatever thematic flair)…
Possibly even combining them both to help boost a weaker racial.
Homogenization isn’t usually ideal, but in this case I think it would be.
I would argue that not wanting to make racials similar to eachother is why this game has such a homogenization problem originally
i mean if trolls had 5% int and gnomes had 5% int, they’d be the same race…so there’d be presumably a 50/50 split based on racials
what if trolls had 10% int and gnomes only 5%? well, the race are different so thats not homogenized yay oh wait…the population is now 100% trolls
I mean look at classic wow as a solid example, terrible class balance and racial balance, horrendous, for the sake of no homogenization you see…
oh wait, there’s orc warrior 5813461 fighting human warrior 948271
everyone is playing the same class and race, on their designated “good for what i want to do” server, aka faerlina for pve and benediction for pvp
racials should’ve never been a thing the way they are they shouldnt been more cosmetic than anything. the human pvp trinket is the reason the population is the way it is rn
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