Elune and Y'shaarj are the same entity

-The Old God Y’shaarj, a void aligned entity, is ripped from Azeroth by Aman’thul, creating the Well of Eternity.

-Y’shaarj’s “death” caused his spirit to change alignment to that of The Light, giving the first conscious light-entity in the Great Dark Beyond: Elune, caused by Aman’thul (Order) interacting with Y’shaarj (Void).

-Elune went on to create the Naaru, giving Light sentience in the Great Dark Beyond in the form of this new race.

-Y’shaarj’s transition into Elune is hinted at in the nature of the Naaru, who famously undergo the same transition in the reverse order upon their “death”, when they go void.

-Y’shaarj’s physical remains that were removed from Azeroth became The White Lady (The Moon). This is why the Moon represents Elune, ever referencing the duality of this cosmic being through the Moon’s light and dark sides…

Elune and Y’shaarj are the same being.

Then why didn’t any of the other old gods change into light beings when they were defeated?

Y’shaarj is the only Old God that the lore will claim to be “dead.” We haven’t killed any Old Gods.

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We didn’t kill nzoth?

Didn’t Y’shaarj turn into the sha? in pandaria

Yep.

From my understanding, he didn’t turn into them, but they are a by-product of his remains.

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No, that was an aspect of Y’shaarj. A manifestation. Not the true Y’shaarj.

Y’shaarj was killed by the Titans.

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I don’t see any reason to think that N’zoth is “dead” in the usual sense, or that “death” applies to the Old Gods in the usual sense in general.

It always seems to be about imprisoning, containing, removing influence, it just doesn’t seem as simple as just killing them. Y’shaarj is largely unaccounted for compared to the rest of them. Aman’thul ripping him from Azeroth’s crust was a very unique event. I think that whatever the fate is of The Old Gods, Y’shaarj has been set up as an outlier.

Well yeah, but it seem weird for part of him that turned into the sha to also be related to elune?

Their physical remains were the heart that Garrosh used.

Old gods aren’t titan big. Part of their remains arent going to be moon sized.

It is weird, but when I look at pictures of the Sha of Anger, for example, and look at the design… I can’t help but see it. I see a being of twilight and duality, a black twisting mass covering crystal shards the color of starlight.

My perception is probably warped from thinking about this so much, but I see this origin everywhere I look.

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It would throw the entirety of “Eyes of the Earth mother” out the window.

This is fair, but who knows, maybe the physical body stays all void-like while the spirit of dead old-gods change.

I think though, the biggest problem with the theory is don’t darkened Naaru basically have to be devoid of light to be so? And the ones that return to the light have to basically have the light put back into them? I think that’s basically what we did in the Priest order hall at the very beginning. If the void is absence of light, would light be the absence of void in terms of WoW cosmological forces? If not, I feel like something would’ve had to infuse Y’shaarj with the ligjt for him to become Elume and I don’t think it would’ve been Aman’thul. The pantheon of light perhaps.

I actually have no idea how large Azeroth’s moons are supposed to be, or what moon-sized means in this universe.

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Fair point.

Just for the record i didnt mean to just outright dismiss your theory. My initial thought when i started reading it was “Ooh, neat idea.” And it is neat. I just don’t think it is true.

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In WoW’s cosmology, I think that the Light may be something like “ordered void”. When Xal-atath mentions that the Naaru will eventually find their way back to the void, I think she is talking about Entropy.

In any case, I am not picturing this as an infusion, or something done intentionally by Aman’thul, or anyone else. I am picturing this transition of alignment as something more akin to a natural life-cycle of cosmic entities, so that the creation of Elune through an Old God’s “death” was effectively a cosmic accident.

Are they now? Oh. Okay.

Oh, I understand where you are coming from.

I just think it would be an incredibly cool and profound cosmic origin. I see lots of ways that it could fit so nicely.

As for whether or not they actually take that direction, I wouldn’t say I’m very confident about that. Grand lore conspiracies tend to be disappointing compared to what actually gets pushed out in modern media.

I know there are some things that I can’t be getting right and that there are probably some problems, but I think it’s an 80% or so workable idea, and would be awesome.

Doesn’t elune predate yshaarj though?

Naaru going from light to void definitely is an interesting bit and makes you wonder what other interactions are like that.

I always presumed elune was life affiliated. Would the inverse of that also be void / old god or would it be death / SL?