You clearly have no idea how difficult that is. It is far easier to nerf 1 thing than to buff everything. That being said, this is not a nerf because of strength. The purpose of this nerf is to make it feel more comfortable. The problem with this nerf is that it is a nerf not due to strength and they did not give Elemental shaman any compensation.
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Are you guys kidding? Have you seen warlocks when they have misery and PI?
Not to mention, Ele is already struggling so let’s go ahead and take away something that would have made them semi competitive. Horrible change.
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Hey bud, this part doesn’t help them improve. You can choose to leave that out.
We have seen a Bizzare (Blizzare? nailed it) design philosophy change for elemental shamans since late bfa
I think of classes as concentric rings radiating outward at then center you have your class choice, followed by specialization, talents, borrowed power, most efficient stats.
The further an adjustment is too the centre the greater the effect it will have. This expansion has a Huge amount of borrowed power Legendaries, Covenenant, Conduits, Soulbinds, previously Domination sockets, and now Tier set in addition to what ever class specific legendary for the tier(Like last tier the hunters bow/ and to some degree the sylvannus cape)
I began to question deeply the design philosphy when lavasurge procs appeared to get nerfed because of the Azurite armor trait that increased the proc rate by 5%. We lost that trait with 9.0 and we lost what was it 3% proc rate as well. At this point blizzard had made an adjustment very near the centre of the design, the Specialization of the class, they then added a cool down to flame shock and reduced its duration further altering our interaction with flame shock and lavaburst.
Later this appeared to make sense too them atleast, because of the available legendaries. But really a few more flame shocks and lavasurge procs were not going to skyrocket our class to the top of the meters for raid or m+ builds, further more the legendaries in my view should be built around the class and specialization more than the opposite which is what we saw in the case of lavasurge and flame shock in 9.0. It was never determined for sure whether this design was too support a class specialization that got canned at the last minute which involved elemental blast being our spender, and the deletion of maelstrom completely.
A few weeks in we saw the base damage of Lavaburst nerfed by 20% a core specilization ability for us due largely inpoart to the Lavaburst legendary buffing lavaburst by 20% as well. This is incorrect in my view as it is an adjustment very near the heart of the class that will have a much larger impact than adjusting further out in our concentric ring model.
We later saw earthquake damage adjusted as well and the earth quake legendary adjusted. but the point of the adjustment was managing aoe damage for the specilization.
Frost shock got changed it now crits very close too lightning bolt non crits but the talent was adjusted to prevent any gain.
And now this adjustment to a talent for playability accessibility because of how a tier set performs. this adjustment with out any other design changes hits very nearly at the center of the builds that include storm elemental.
“You pick the flower on Earth and you move the farthest star”
-Paul Dirac.
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If you want to nerf the “Machine Gun Build” for raid I am for it. Refreshing gust wind stack is the nerf for raid. The stacks reduction will kill our spec in M+ and questing where we have ton of fun with Storm Ele. I would like to remind you guys this was the same exact play in 8.3 with corruption. I don’t want one of my favorite talents getting nerfed due to " Borrowed power in 9.2". You guys say you listen to feedback this would truly prove that you guys do by just looking at all the players that have commented here so far.
Thank You
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Tomorrow is the day to hopefully see a response, so as the Naga Sirens in WCIII say:
I’m waiting with bated breath
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That’s a silly argument , there are people playing the game with only 1 hand . Why not remove the abilities by 60 percent across every spec so that they have less buttons to press to make it more accessible to them ?
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So on the chance that I might possibly get a tier set after months of casual play, you nerf my class in it’s entirety. All this will do is alienate elemental shamans even more than they are already.
Every single site I look at says fury warrior and subtlety rogues are the go to OP class this expansion, and here you are tuning a ‘middle of the road’ class in it’s entirety over a tier set bonus they might never get!
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hope you will do the same thing to other class,like sub rogue, fury worries.
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Just one more thought on the final day you can revert this: This is a nerf because of the interaction between tier set and storm elemental - please don’t nerf our talent. Tomorrow, unless we are just insanely lucky and somehow get 4 set, we will lose a TON of power on an already underperforming spec this tier. Anyone doing progress raiding/M+ on an elemental shaman will simply be dragging down their team.
My 90% heroic skolex parse is 1000 DPS behind my guild sub rogue’s 90% parse on the same fight. You are now about to widen that gap for an absurd reason. Elemental shaman only really takes off on Anduin where it is almost exclusively gratuitous pad damage.
->Resetting stacks is totally resonable and resolves the uncomfortable prolonged button mashing.
->Capping stacks without any buffs will murder the spec that has come to rely on this talent so heavily.
Please, I really enjoyed Elemental Shaman last tier and want to play Elemental Shaman this tier. <3
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Please reconsider this massive NERF. As of right now thats all it is. SE build is being made out to be turreting nothing but LB for extended periods of time as stated in the blue post at least thats how I am reading it. The 20 stack lightning bolts are filler spells and most of your time is spent managing standard lava surge procs, 8 sec lava surge procs from 2p, spenders on earth shock/earthquake and covenent abilities, not to mention movement globals with frost shock, the use of pots, totems, trinkets, healthstones, astral shift, healing spells, downtime between mobs/bosses etc. Although you have the option for exended periods of spamming LB it is a dps loss and the SE would not acheive 100% uptime in that scenario anyway regulating SE down to its current non 4p state with short burst periods of 20 stacks waiting for CD then building stacks again making the accessibility issue a moot point. Whoever is uncomfortable spamming that many LB is playing the rotation wrong and will gain dps by playing a fire ele build instead with the proper rotation not having to worry about the lower cast times of SE. Accessibility issue is non existent in my eyes because the issue is those players are obviously playing the build wrong. Even the resetting of wind gust stacks is wrong as the interaction with the 4pc is extending the duration of the elemental. If you let SE expire because you arent managing lava bursts correctly then that is the penalty for having to resummon, stacks are reset and you must build them again. I ask you please to rethink this mistake that is about to go through. Take a step back and look at how the build is supposed to be played not make a massive change resulting in a huge nerf right before mythic raiding and m+ full gear unlock next week because a low percentage of players are spamming one spell which is not intended. If they want to be competitive using this build its no more of an accessibility concern as any other class/spec. Play the rotation correctly and do mechanics. We shouldnt cater to target dummy heroes that want to sit in a rested area and spam LB for as long as they can because it looks cool (even though it does!).
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Blizzard: We listen to feedback.
300+ responses in 3 days against a nonsense nerf, 0 reply.
Blizzard: jajaja keep barking i want to nerf shaman so i nerf shaman.
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I would like to chime in here and say that so far in 9.2, Blizz has done an outstanding job actually implementing changes in the game that people have been asking for, and listening to community feedback. It’s given me hope for the future of the game that I lacked throughout most of Shadowlands. Unfortunately, this act is shattering that faith and makes it seem like it’s the same old Blizzard that just ignores what the community is saying and does whatever they feel like. There is still time to fix this before reset tomorrow, at which point all Ele Shamans without 4pc tier will be significantly weakened and even the prospect of getting 4pc will be much less exciting. You have hundreds of responses in this thread. You need to respond.
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Also as an after thought to my post above I would like to state that the time spent formulating this miscalculated and unecessary nerf could have been better spent fixing the atrocious movement speed of storm elemental among other neglected posts from the ele community. This is and has been an actual gameplay issue negatively impacting everyone. Known issues are what should be being fixed right now. Accessibility issues are something you should have a well thought out gameplan for and implementation that is applied across all classes and specs. This is background work to be done and communicated ahead of time and included in the release of a new future expansion with proper ptr work and testing when classes, spells and new systems are already being redesigned, introduced or tweaked. This type of change should not be a knee jerk reaction and definetely not within this current timeframe. This talent as well as abilities from other classes that you press buttons quickly have had this playstyle for a while now. If this is something blizzard wants to change as a whole then yall need to work on that system and ensure it works before implementation. The timing of this is awkward and concerning as the vast majority of the ele player base already has the time and resources invested in this tier. Following through with this change now will further stain the current state of the spec.
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Happy Monday Blizzard! Hope you had a great weekend! When you get to work today drink some coffee read this whole forum posts and revert the change please! Thanks in advance!
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if you could just change your nerf so that the CL and LB do more dmg & give more maelstrom depending on gust stacks, it would be the best of both world
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Revert or Compensate.
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I wanted to throw out a few ideas for the compensation buffs we definitely deserve with this storm elemental nerf, just incase you guys are looking for ideas to help us be viable for mythic raiding and why we need it so badly.
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Revert the 20 stack nerf, but keep the stacks resetting upon re-cast.
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Buff the damage of lightning bolt/chain lightning per stack of Wind gust while storm ele is out.
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Revert the .33 hidden mastery modifier on chain lightning which reduces mastery effectiveness by 1/3 by default in AOE.
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Put much more power into normal/primal fire elemental through damage buff, or significantly buff primal fire elemental’s meteor damage and AOE size to be a giant burst AOE attack, right now it is rather weak.
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Put more power into our multidot/funnel playstyle by removing the cooldown on flame shock.
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Revert the Lava surge chance and the lava burst damage nerfs from early Shadowlands which just felt unnecessary.
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Increase the AOE size of Earthquake so it is less of an issue when things walk out of it
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Give us gust of wind back so we aren’t forced to go Goblin for serious raiding Hopium
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Make Fae Transfusion heal a smart heal (please
) cherry on top
The reason we need SOME kind of compensation buff is that all elemental shaman have for a mythic raid is their burst AOE damage over other classes. This is now in a heavily nerfed state with our best talent for it with the most current changes if they stay the way they are.
If this just stays the way it is with 0 changes, there will be absolutely no reason to want an elemental shaman over any other ranged dps for any reason for mythic raiding. Every other class can handle every other aspect of the game better than us.
Warlocks have massive raid utility no matter how much their damage is balanced through gate/stones/summons so they are always desired no matter what.
Hunters have Turtle and barely lose any damage during movement/mechanics.
Mages have blinks/ice block and can fit any damage profile with their 3 specs, extremely flexible.
Boomkins are hybrids just like us but with better conduits in every way, Massive AOE that can’t miss with starfall, tankier than us, roar they don’t have to talent in to, casting on the move and their damage is tuned to be good at ST and AOE, they don’t seem to pay any kind of “hybrid tax” like elemental shamans do.
Priests I can sympathize with also, but they at least bring fort for raid and still very good damage in multiple situations in the right hands.
As a raid leader, if elemental shaman’s main niche gets nerfed to the ground, there would be literally 0 reason to bring us over any of the other ranged dps for any situation. I hope you see how this disparity is a clear issue, and your most recent “accessibility” nerfs just exacerbate this issue to the point where I hope it’s just a clear oversight.
There must be at least one dev who plays Elemental Shaman so they can understand our plight and keep us balanced and in line with how all the other classes are treated. I hope you guys understand the point I’m trying to make and WHY there is such a massive uproar in these forums over the past few days. Please consider any suggestions we have mentioned here and have a real dialogue with us.
There is a reason there hasn’t been an elemental shaman in mythic RWF prog (besides Uu’nat, but that was because of the funnel playstyle we had which also got gutted after BFA), and they are mostly considered a meme for being a lesser spec comparatively for the longest time.
We want to help you. We need you to want to help us also. In the end we know its hard to balance ALL the specs in the game 100% equally, but in a perfect world there should definitely be at least an attempt to do so in the name of fairness so we don’t feel like we’re making a WRONG choice just for playing our favorite spec. I hope you understand.
Thank you
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Feel like we are getting ignored.
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extra dmg during storm ele isnt enough as the point of the haste buff is for maelstrom generation to be able to hit earth shock or EQ. This play was intended and foreseeable with a permanent ele as the whole idea of the tier. For blizzard dev or anyone to say this was not intended or foreseeable, that is not an honest answer. They would have to buff LB/CL dmg and buff the maelstrom generation. As stated by others are ST dmg is absolutely horrid compared to meta specs. Tyrannical weeks in keys the only positive we had was our AOE with big pulls, as our ST is know to be very poor with the typical m+ build.
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