I 100% agree, it is Ele sham or quitting the game in my case, i had never played a spec this long, i play since legion and always switched mains like every 2 months or so… This spec i really enjoy, the class fantasy, the dmg profile, etc, and i looked forward playing it with a fun high APM build (not even top APM).
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Might be a bit of an ask, but this seems like the sort of thing that should also be commented on in the community council forum if only to make it harder for blizzard to ignore it. Anyone who is tangentially involved with ele shaman should know this change in isolation kills the spec in group pve, but there are a lot of players who wouldn’t have seen this change or know why its that bad to begin with. Also as cynical as it might be its hard to confirm or deny that blizzard even reads shaman feedback threads because they very rarely comment in them, and when they do its things like this where they say “we’ve read your feedback” and then do something nobody asked for.
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Awful change. This appears to be a very lazy way out tuning a niche build coming from set bonuses (considering movement limitations). Consider a more aggressive reset to Wind Gust or even splitting the benefit of 4pc to have a unique benefit for storm and fire ele (less ramp to 20 stacks?) … Anything really than this garbage.
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Could we not get gust of wind to add x% more damage to lightning bolt and chain lightning with each stack to compensate for the accessibility nerf? I haven’t done the math to see exactly what x should be to give us equivalent damage to 20 stacks of gust, especially when accounting for the loss of maelstrom generation but I think that would go a long way towards making this situation better for everyone.
Accessibility does matter but this feels just feels awful for shaman players
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Why instead of nerfing classes you would not just buff all?
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we didn’t need nerfing thats the point we only get descent when we have double lego and 4 set
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Genuine question: If players are reporting this is uncomfortable to play, where are they all? The voices in this thread are nearly unanimous in their opposition to your decision. I haven’t seen people this unified over hating something since New Coke. The Shaman community has been providing thoughtful and eloquent feedback to issues with Elemental spec since Alpha, and have gone largely ignored. We had a lot of great feedback in the PTR thread for Tier set pieces and got 0 blue replies throughout the entirety of PTR. There were a number of glaring bugs with the set that only got fixed towards the last 2 weeks of PTR as well.
There is additionally a lot of great feedback in THIS thread about how to address this current situation, but suffice to say, you cannot target a spec that is already underperforming and level a nerf this large without some kind of compensation, especially since you’re doing it under the guise of accessibility. An accessibility issue should not result in a spec losing 12-14% single target DPS plus a serious chunk of its AOE ability as well.
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Is it bad i’ve already started gearing enhance in the expectation of all of the great feedback and community backlash going totally ignored in the name of highly contrived social justice?
The " Machine gun" spec isn’t even that fun too play(for me) it’s just the only viable spec at the top end.
There is an uncountable number of solutions that isn’t a nerf you could bring back the gambler spec from legion that was fun as hell.
Buff The deeply rooted elements legendary to make it…actually usefull
Buff the deep tremor stone legendary to perform like echose of the great sundering and allow our call of flame to extend earth ele elemental duration marybe remove its taunt(though its saved a m+ wipe a few times)
Elemental Equilibrium could be buffed to its 9.0ptr power
Give us a conduit that interacts with Frost shock…
Give us a conduit that actually increases our damage and doesn’t just extend the duration of an already existing ability or have a CHance too do something maybe depending on how RNGeezus feels today.
Take flame shock off a cd if only 6 are allowed anyway
give us back a reasonable proc rate of lavasurge
give us our 20% lavaburst damage back
Remove the earthshock requirement for Echoes of the great sunderng to work since by in large its too friggin slow anyway
Buff earthen rage to crit against targets in earthquake…
Buff static discharge/ maybe make it interact with storm ele to build stacks.
Echoe of the elements base line
stormkeeper base line
assendance cd reduced by flame shock ticks or lavabursts by what ever amount
something clever could improve shaman accessibilty / quality of life while also moving the struggling spec in to the 1% variance on single target/ multitarget that developers have been speaking about as a standard for class/spec tuning.
or just keep ignoring your community…based on the rate of response/ course correction/ class development/ raid bugs i’m beginning to think working for blizzard is just going to meetings about who knows what avoiding sexual harrasment and collecting a free check.
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Why not just nerf the amount of stacks but give another added benefit along side cast time reduction like “Chain lightning also splashes additional “x” damage to all targets hit. Lightning bolt increases damage dealt to target by x%” X could be amount of stacks. Don’t kill the class due to a talent that creates a poor experience but all the while that talent is what keeps them clinging to relevancy.
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congrats on turning elemental into a troll spec if you try and play it in mythic raid.
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48 hours 295 post and still no answer. Great work blizzard.
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Same goes for Feral druid nothing to be excited about that’s for sure.
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sub rogue too good, lets nerf shaman
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I remember when you said we were going to have sets this tier, i was glad we’ll see some variation in gameplay and you released this which is just outline our issues.
- no st burst, set doesn’t address it.
- issue with secondary scaling : set makes it worse focusing on lava burst.
- emergent 3 button , hand destroyer, gameplay : sets make it worse
- we have an air niche : the set is forcing a nerf on it.
- fire ele feels completely useless and instead of making the set make it be useful, it s useless but longer.
At this point, i d rather see the nerf removed, get a flat buff and just disable the set alltogether.
I should be excited to get it, i m just worried …
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Mage (prob the closest in terms of dmg profile, being ranged, etc) has immunities, raid buff, mobility, raid cds, ranged, cheat death, good ST, uncapped aoe, nah let’s nerf ele sham.
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You would think, especially when they are “addressing our concerns” and all.
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As is tradition.
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WTF???
Have u ever play ur designed Elemental Shaman???
Why dont u just delete elemental spec?
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I fail to understand how this is any worse in terms of spamminess compared to fury warrior, or other high apm specs.
How do you justify nerfing a middling spec based on things unrelated to its numerical performance?
This is why wow devs will NEVER have my trust when it comes to making intelligent decisions about how to actually design a spec.
You are doing a terrible job and I hope the sheer volume of responses here show just how displeased the ele shaman players really are.
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Elemental shaman will be absolute scum tier in both Mythic+ and Raid if this goes through. Please there is still 1 more day to revert this and have the characters we prepared not be useless.
Ele sham will be as much of a meme as the reason for the nerf.
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