“It might be uncomfortable to have to cast your ability every half a second, so we’re nerfing your ability to do that without buffing anything to compensate.”
Awesome.
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Nearly all of those suggestions have been given for years and I concur with each and every one. I think legion had a great playstyle for ele with gamble build and hard hitting earth shocks
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Hello Kaivax,
I’ve never posted on the forums before, but as an elemental shaman main I feel like I have to say my piece before this change goes live.
This PTR cycle, Frost Mages saw a heavy-handed nerf to their icy propulsion conduit which, after about a day of heavy criticism and feedback after the change was posted, was reverted and modified into a better change. After virtually no interaction with elemental shamans during the PTR cycle, it’s now been almost 3 days here and even though many prominent elemental shamans (including Petko from the community council) have chimed in with suggestions on how to make storm elemental a healthier ability without completely gutting the talent, we’ve so far been largely ignored.
Like so many others have also said, it’s even more frustrating to see this change happen so soon before the mythic raid opens, as many of us have committed to playing elemental shaman and feel it’s too late to swap to an alternate class or spec as we’ve cleared heroic/normal, looted tier pieces, completed great vault requirements, etc. It feels like we’ve had the rug swept out from under us.
If this truly is a change meant for accessibility reasons, there should be a compensating buff somewhere else in our kit for single target damage (such as increasing fire damage dealt while fire elemental is active, or a buff to ascendance to finally make it a better single target option than stormkeeper).
Please don’t ignore us.
Thanks!
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For this reason Blizzard can no longer retract (to use the health and accessibility of the players as an excuse), their only option is to compensate for the loss of damage, maybe (here I’m dreaming) they can give us an intellect buff like mages.
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Hey there,
I don’t know who said “ uncomfortable to play” makes you “believe it might pose a significant accessibility concern”. But this is really a shame that you made this change. To the player who plays shaman, I believe most of the player enjoy the 20 stack and this is where shaman’s dps comes from. And you took away it. Shaman is not the strong dps and you have already made some change to get it much weaker why you still want to make it less enjoyable? Can’t believe you made this decision and suggest the designer to play this game first.
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Very insightful and as an ele player since they first became available I agree with your sentiments and suggestions 1-9, except the stacks resetting on recast. Like another poster stated, you will be playing the spec wrong and have your storm ele despawn if you just spam LB @ .6 sec casts…that is the filler, but you have to weave in LvB and your spenders if you are playing it optimally and correctly.
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I only recently started getting into more serious raiding this expansion and ele shaman is so fun and my favorite class to play, but like other people have mentioned this feels really really bad and it’s killing my excitement…I enjoy being pretty good and semi desirable for m+ keys and this change without any kind of compensation is going to severely adversely affect that. I really hope this changes before tomorrow or we at least get a response from Blizz - there hasn’t seemed to be much communication from devs who design ele. Other class communication seems great, which is awesome for them, but not so much for shamans.
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Just to keep this going, please respond with some sort of way to make up for this loss or this spec is going to be worthless for any content outside normal raiding
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Lets also not overlook the fact in the name of accessibilty that you can bind LB and CL to any button, mouse, or usb device with supported function that you see fit. Bind it to four keyboard buttons across four fingers and roll across them effectively reducing the key press per finger to 25% usage. Missing any fingers on the keyboard side? Mouse wheel up and down…another great low friction, low effort option that can rapid those puppies out in no time with the flick of a single finger. Wanna play wow and do the look ma no hands? Bust out the ole gran turismo foot pedal set…accelerator for LB/CL, brake for LvB, and pop the clutch for earth shock/earthquake. I mean seriously if anyone is having a hard time pressing a single button effectively to cast the spell in time the solution is already most literally at the players fingertips (or toetips?) as well as the conveniently located in game settings menu. Either that or blizzard could just as easily allow single spell repeat function as long as you are manually holding the keybind down and it stops when you depress, you know kinda like microsoft word when you hold a key down, is this not possible?
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Please revert the stack nerf from 20 to 10 or give us some compensation. ele is already bottom of the barrel
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the silence from the devs is deafening. This is a horrendous change and you’re forcing Ele’s out of m+ and mythic raid
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This hot fix goes live tomorrow. Along with mythic raid unlocking. You STILL do not have anything to say regarding all the “feedback” (let’s be honest) OUTRAGE?
You people are a joke. No wonder this company and game is an absolute shell of its former self.
People invest a lot of time into their class, and when you do something as drastic and unnecessary as this, resulting in such a massive nerf- with ZERO compensation. Then just go silent??
This is the problem. You are the problem. This is why people are leaving in droves. This is why blizzard and WoW will never recoup their player base. Because it’s abusive behavior.
You hold all the power, and the player base has the illusion of a voice. But we all know better.
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I would post on my alt too if I was going to make the same comment.
Know why your consciously posting on an alt? Because even you know it’s true.
@kaivax
There are currently 16816 M+ ranks of ele shaman in the world as of this moment. 15889 have a raider.io score above 0. Setting aside alts and off specs the posts; outraged, sarcastic, intelligent, dissapointed, derisive.
The 10k views on this topic and the universal opinion that this is a bad implementation even if the accessibility issue is real, amount to the entire shaman community “coming off the benches” at the developers about this.
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300+ responses from the community and not a SINGLE one is positive, and still no response from devs about this… I have little hope this doesn’t go live at this point…
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Plz dont do this stupid, elemental shaman its a meme spec and you do this? better delete the spec or give more damage.
Imagine a word where the hotfix is :
- Storm Elemental’s Wind Gust effect gained from casting Lightning Bolt or Chain Lightning now has a maximum stack of 10 (was 20), each stacks of this effect empowers Chain lightning and Lightning bolt damage and maelstrom generation by x% (2-5 ?). Additionally, if you cast Storm Elemental again while having a Storm Elemental active, the Wind Gust buff will be reset.
So where they got the feedback from? A random guy who doesn’t even play the game spoofing as ele shaman players?
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One of Ele’s biggest problem is that there are no devs that play ele as their main and try to push high end content like mythic raid or 15+ dungeons. So they really have no idea of what the plight of the elemental shaman is, other than if they read feedback from forums. We should have those content creators and high end RWF raiders and M+ streamers use their voice on social media with a larger audience than wow forums to plead our case. Ele has been getting pretty much ignored for years, with blizzard always promising to fix the spec but then postponing due to not enough time before release of expansion or major patch. Another poster was correct to state that they have changed us for the worse repeatedly over time. They made flame shock last 18 seconds instead of 36, and have a CD of 6 seconds instead of no CD so we cant effectively deal with spread damage. They reduced LvB damage by 20% in shadowlands, then baked dmg into the WLR legendary, then reduced that dmg another 5%. They reduced Lava surge procs in BFA because of igneous potential azerite gear and never gave it back when we lost the gear. Oh how i miss so many other versions of the ele shaman from casting LB on the move, to the gamble spec with hard hitting Earth shocks, to the multi dot igneous potential LvB nukes with high Lava surge procs. Its a long history of them taking away things that worked very well in prior expansions so we feel gimped with each new expansion, and now the ultimate gimping of an already poor performing ST dmg class, that is catastrophic for our AOE in m+. For the love of God, give us a buff, give us smooth and satisfying ele play that competes within 1% of the top specs in single target. Allow us to cast LB/CL on the move (or give us gust of wind back), make EQ have a larger radius so tanks have a harder time moving them out of our AOE damage or make the EQ be targeted onto an enemy that follow the enemy around rather than an area we have to select. Make Lava Burst great again (buff dmg and proc rate). Make earth shock great again (buff dmg). I dont know if anyone else here has tried but even world questing as ele feels horrible in ZMortis compared to enhance. Slow casting, with incoming dmg; it takes so much longer to kill mobs as ele compared to enhance. There is so much room for improvement. Yet this one decision is not one of those areas. They should allow for refunds of 6 month subscriptions for changes like this.
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Shaman ghosted again
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