Ele in pvp is undertuned

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Lava burst hits 250k (crit)
Earthshock 480-500k which is crazy because its the spender where other classes spenders are 1m+

instant shadow bolts 900k no crit
aimed shot 900k no crit
killshot 600k non crit
execute 700k
mortal strike 500k base no modifiers
templar strike 600k no crit
obliterate 600k no crit
ferocious bite 800k no crit
starsurge 700k no crit

The rework is also going to ruin eles damage, as the empowered frostshocks dmg is good and its being nerfed for AOE PVE
The change to ascendance is good but it nerfs lava bursts dmg

it also forces us into using lightning bolt which we wont be taking any modifiers for because pvp is a lava burst build so were getting screwed

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I plan to use full lightning build in pvp just like I do now. Not that I’m not a fan of the upcoming changes mainly bc it forces us into different gear mid season. Thats a pain in the @$$.

I never benefited from the FOL in DF so I won’t miss that too much. The CDR for SK and the increase in instant LB casts will fit in nicely.

I will not spec ascendance or Pwave. I’ll miss volcanic surge talent for the dmg bonus and just hope they find a place to add that dmg back into the rework.

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Also how can i forget our healing surge heals 2% hp, and if you have the 30% increase talent AND earth shield on you, you heal for 4% hp

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Casting Lavaburst feels so underwhelming… there’s no OOMPH to it. Yet you get smashed by insta cast ice lance spam nonstop for 3x LB damage. Kinda goofy.

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Current Ele is not bad but the rework is awful. We have a set based on Earth Shock and it already hits like a truck and on top of it spending maelstrom increases crit damage (Lava Burst). It would work together very well. Every 30 sec you have Primordial + Ancestral Swiftness combo. Unfortunately Blizzard doesn’t like us.

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in mytic are good…

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Now they are. Wait for rework.

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That, is a massive understatement.

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Damn could you imagine if Obliterate actually hit 600k non crits that would be insane.

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PvP is not a Lava Burst Build.

Yes, you cast it on procs only but that’s it. If you take Volcanic Surge, and you should, you need not cast at all.

You should should spec out of Ascendant, Pwave, and passive buffs to Lava burst in favor of other things.

Volcanic surge is Brutal in PvP. Flat 30% increase damage to lightning, which you should easily be able to cast 3x instantly at the start of arena, or save for an alpha strike later.

Also, every PvP spec of Shaman should be casting 2x Counterstrike Totem (use Totemic Recall to get 2 out) period, end stop.

Yes, I know that both Volcanic Surge and Counterstrike Totem may be removed or nerfed in a few months when the patch goes live. But for the time being, your biggest PvP issue is that you are specced entirely wrong for PvP.

You should drop Farseer entirely, so that you don’t need to think about PWave or your 3 lava burst charges, and just go Stormbringer. Yes, we can acklowledge that Lava Burst sucks right now, so why are you basing your build around it in PvP?

You want to force yourself to have a bad time then continue with Farseer and accept the state of Lava Burst.

Stormbringer is all frontloaded, your setup is 2 elementals, 3x instant cast lightning bolt, and 2x Counterstrike Totem at onset of PvP. At this point, you should either be in control of the match, or outright killed at least one opponent. I don’t even take Hex.

If their any good, you may have to flex with your survivability. As in maintain Earth Shield, Stone Bulwark Totem, PvP Trinket, ghost wolf always, Gust of Wind (our version of Blink), etc.

I find out that most Posters like you die without ever having used Astral Shift.

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this is completely untrue. no high rated shamans even play volcanic surge…what are you going on about lol

doesn’t play hex, COUNTERSTRIKE TOTEM? and volcanic surge

okay this guy should not be commenting in a pvp thread

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I’m an Elemental Shaman and I’m doing just fine. Yes, we have our counters, but seeing as you have never played elemental shaman until this expansion that’s only been live for a few weeks, I think you need to work on your mechanics a little more. Also, you’re using a lot of talents that aren’t ideal.

I’d say watch some guides and learn the basics of the class. We tend to get trained a lot in PvP so you have to learn how to use good positioning and kiting skills to survive.

Again, I’m average skill level, but I still enjoy the state the spec is in.

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I do use counterstrike totem (two times), I took off hex because I don’t need it because Hex is 1.5 seconds where I am not doing any damage and in 2s they instantly get out of it, and yes plenty of people use Volcanic Surge in PvP.

I thought it wasn’t viable, so I wrote it off, I tested it after listening to others and it works very well in 2s.

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no, nobody uses volcanic surge in pvp. our pvp talent selection is bloated enough. its funny how you assume OP is bad yet you are clueless and insist on giving horrible information. you can’t watch a snupy 1 shot video and say SHAMANS USE LIGHTNING IN PVP because nobody with any awareness is losing to an ele shaman doing that. want to do dmg vs decent players? u play fire, specifically instant cast fire with meaty earth shocks and thats it. you know why frost mage is so dominant right now? because they don’t cast. you know why arcane is hardly seen? because you do have to cast

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This. I tried a stormbringer lightning build in PvP for a couple of Blitz matches, so hard to get damage off. Elementalist/fire farseer build is easier to get damage off. Now if only i wouldn’t be facing 3 fury warriors who agree to train the elemental shaman on the other team. Or if I had a team that actually tried playing objectives.

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I’ll be a lava burst machine gun, with perfect possible flame shock uptime, really highly level execution. On a spec I’ve played for 15 years

And I’ll do 30 million less damage than myself playing a hunter I boosted 5 days ago and pressing rapid fire and aimed shot.

It’s def under tuned a little bit.

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Sounds like you’re playing it wrong. Ele isn’t a lvb machine gun anymore and if you’re using that as your crutch it’ll greatly impede your damage in pvp

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Ele is fine as Farseer. Basically you go full Haste. Every 30 sec you press Ancestral Swiftness and Primordial to summon 2 Ancestors and pump. When you press Icefury, Earth Shock or Frost Shock your Ancestors cast instant Lava Burst. So basically press this every 30 sec. On top of it every 3 min. you combine Ascendance with Spiritwalker’s Grace (mandatory on Ancestors) and you have another bigger go. PvP talents you go for Totem of Wrath, Shamanism and Groudning. With Stone Bulwark you don’t need Burrow. Ele pumps now.

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PvP, certainly for arenas, demands instant casts.
There are moments against undergeared folks in world pvp where the stars align and the double tempest, stormkeeper cooldown lines up, but outside of that, hard casting is a horrible chain of interruptions.

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The rework is going to suck so bad. We are currently one of the weakest casters next to boomies lol im still trying to enjoy it, but its crazy how they are buffing other classes and kinda nerfing ours when we already weak

I can occasionally enjoy the lightningbolt build in solo blitz but for arena no chance in hell will anyone let u cast. ur the target 24/7

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