30k dps @ 450 on a mage, yikes. That’s insanely low, somewhat throws your opinions into the void. The argument of “well my friends…” doesn’t work here.
Yeah, we were taking it slow, had a lot of afking and I’m single target frost on my mage. I can start spamming dps screenshots of my DH if you’d like. I usually out dps the combat rogues. ~https://imgur.com/a/BuIAtns and the tank had R3 EV here too and I’m only using mindflay tentacles. That’s what a typical triple pack looks like.
Oh wait, this thread isn’t about this non-sense… It’s about fixing broken corruption, which is going to happen next week. The job of this thread is complete, so I’m done posting in it.
No, this thread was about nerfing tank DPS, if it was about fixing a broken corruption, it should have been titemd “Echoing Void needs looked at” or something along those lines. You called the dance with the title, you kept digging with your arguments.
Does it need fixed? most likely, but thanks to you it will always have the taste of “it got nerfed because a DPS baby could not stand getting out DPSd by a tank”.
It likely did need to be brought more in line with other corruptions, if that is all that happens, all is well and good. Anything more then that will just make tanks, and possibly DPS, upset.
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I read this whole thread and can sum it up as such…the didn’t nerf Prot Warrior and every one still got in groups. This is just more dps with hurt feels.
Why in Dog’s name do you want to nerf tanks? Do you just hate everyone? Maybe mmos just aren’t your thing.
I agree 1000%. I despise the RNG system and would prefer a token based system; but given that we have an RNG based system, I’m ok with the forging system.
The corruption system seemed ok at first - but in the end, the fact that they change the affixes, and that cleansing is permanent ends up really breaking the system for me. In the end it was just another layer of rng with more options - more of what I despise.
Sweet, so I can go back to doing mediocre dps while the dps lmfaos all over the mobs to pull agro on a skittish week.
Rather than using a more tanky build ill be forced to stick with the spirit bomb build to try and keep up while being squishy.
Wait…ima just roll a warrior. Granted im about 3 weeks behind on the cape ill catch up eventually right?
This game feels real good when one of the methods of trying to compensate get nerfed because of dps getting their pride hurt
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Yikes indeed, this completely unoptimized, throw things on because they’re in my bag, 443 BM sims out at 40k
Echoing void was the tank equalizer. For a guardian druid, who hits like a wet noodle, it was 30% of my dps even with only rank 2. I am sure for a warrior it was much lower. A nerf this much just really kills guardian tanks compared to the pre-corruption high dps tanks.
Feels bad for bdk since their aoe is behind currently.
So unless you are a paladin or a warrior, your damage is garbage by comparison.
Tanks have a rough time with damage scaling currently. Why is there a need to nerf tank based corruption effects?
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Hence why I showed my DH in a higher key run pulling 150k+ sustained on multipack aoe. Even in single target frost spec, my mage normally does quite a bit more than what was shown on that run, it was just a bad run overall. Quit bringing this crap up, it’s not on topic. Tanks averaging 40-50% more AoE dps, from lucky RNG, is the topic.
Back on topic: If the other tank specs are underperforming, compared to prot warrior and paladin, then buff their AoE up some to make them more competitive. Don’t rely on a broken corruption to close the gap. If prot warrior is still broken at AoE, all they have to do is nerf the lucid avatar build and that’s a relatively simple fix if they desire to do so.
It has been stated by Blizzard they are not doing any heavy passes on classes, especially not this late in the game.
Complaining that tanks are using tank specific corruptions to do good damage is silly.
I don’t see any DPS complaining about the enhanced damage they received through essences such as meme beam.
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No, it’s really not. Dps don’t get to magically do a consistent 40-50% more dps just because they lucked out and got a good corruption. That would be like gaining an extra 20-35k dps… At most, things like T3 infinite stars make up around 8-12% of a dps’s damage.
Yeah, I don’t really think they are going to either. Prot warrior dps is high, but it isn’t that OP vs the other tank classes except maybe a gluttony spec’d VDH, it’s definitely decent every other pack though. Most tank specs have the option to spec for more AoE dps if they want to.
Apples and oranges. You are guaranteed to get all of the essences for the most part unless you fail at pvp and can’t stay over 1000 rating, at which point, it wouldn’t make a difference for you anyways.
Which is a rather huge increae in the amount of DPS that the user gets to deal. It has build up, and it comes with a high corruption cost. This is thesame for tanks. Their corruptions are built around their maximum hp. As such, it makes sense that a tank based corruption functons better on them. On average, outside of lucky procs, DPS still outperform tanks by a significant margin.
That’s not addressing what I stated. No DPS goes “i am doing too much damage”.
Now…when tanks get something that provides them a means of keeping uponly in AOE, its an issue?
Consider me puzzled
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We just need to go back to classes being balanced internally instead of around artifacts, essences, corruption, etc.
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There are many raid boss fights where dps don’t even get to 6 stacks of IS and some where they get to 10 stacks within a few minutes. If it has less than 6 stacks on a boss, it’s actually a dps loss vs other options like mind flay tenatacles. EV, on the other hand, is promised and consistent dps no matter what. Since you only need one EV, the corruption is negligible. One R3 EV+R9 cloak+essence with -10 corruption=15 corruption and 40-50% more dps. You won’t even spawn eyes…
A lot of people complained about CLF being required for almost all dps specs, so they nerfed it considerably. Yeah, it’s still pretty good dps and is usually top for a lot of specs, but you can take alternatives withough losing 10k dps now.
It wouldn’t suprise me to see them make a another nerf pass to CLF and nerf some EP trinkets. Let’s face it, a 430 razor coral shouldn’t be beating the next runner up by 1k dps, when that next runner up is 475… Actually, I should make a thread about these two as well.
General Discussion: “We need more tank classes added so that there are more tanks!”
Also General Discussion: “Tanks are NOT ALLOWED to have fun! We HATE them!!!”
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I cannot agre because it sounds as if you’re trying to low ply the RNG. Yes, EV provides static damage, but this is far less comparable to mind flay tentacles on ST as well as IS on ST> Simply because bad RNG can strike, does not make it a fair comparison to do.
Even prior to the nerf you weren’t losing 10k DPS taking something else. Both Paladins and UHDK could take it without a significant loss and those that did, could use CoF which was at most, 3k lower.
It wasn’t so bad as some make it seem
Bloodmallet, the sims and logs say otherwise. Even now, for havoc, CLF is still over 2k ahead of the nearest runner up other than R3 breath of the dying which nobody is going to have for a while. And that’s AFTER it’s been neutered significantly.